[Loadstone] Porting to Android

Shawn Kirkpatrick shawn at loadstone-gps.com
Thu Oct 22 21:38:10 BST 2015

As a developer I would find a report like mine to be rather valuable. It 
could be a sign of needed user interface changes. In this case maybe the 
talkback setting should be closer to the top of the list so it's always on 
the first screen. Maybe the setting could move closer to the bottom if 
talkback is enabled? Just ideas. Maybe the accessibility shortcut gesture 
should always default to on? Why in the world it would be disabled is 
another question. Maybe setting lists that are too long need to be grouped 
in to more subgroups? When designing any project the user interface is by 
far the hardest part and causes the most discussion amung the users. As far 
as accessibility goes there's always more maturing to do, that goes for all 

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015, Dave Mielke wrote:

> [quoted lines by Shawn Kirkpatrick on 2015/10/22 at 12:29 -0700]
>> Well, not to get in to an argument here but what I reported was facts
>> since they happened. I can only report on my experience with the
>> available knowledge at the time.
> You're a developer, right? Would you rather someone misrepresent your software
> based on an unfortunately bad experience, or give you the benefit of the doubt?
>> In some ways your explanation points out the problems, the talkback setting at
>> the bottom of a screen that may have to be scrolled,
> There's a scroll bar. Some settings in a long list are going to fall off the
> bottom. Android puts the most commonly needed ones at the top. That's entirely
> normal and reasonable. The scroll bar clearly shows any sighted user that there
> are more things to look at.
> What if the system clock is wrong? The button for going to the screen to set
> the clock also often falls off the bottom and needs to be scrolled to. Is that
> somehow biased against those who need to reset their device clocks? Will
> Android only become mature when the button for fixing the time on the clock is
> easier to find?
> Where does one draw the line, here? The fact is that Android is a highly
> configurable system. A consequence of this is that even the top-level settings
> list is long. This doesn't in any way imply immature accessibility. It's just
> that the accessibility settings are closer to the bottom because they aren't
> needed as often, even by a blind user. Even blind users tend to only need them
> at the start, to get the device configured, and then, even they end up
> preferring the settings that are near the top to be where they are.
>> the accessibility shortcut that may or may not be enabled.
> This, too, doesn't imply immature accessibility. Everything in Android is
> configurable. That's just one of the philosophies behind the system. Being able
> to disable that settingh means that a sighted person can much more easily use
> the device while still having it talk for a listening blind person.
>> This would seem to indicate that the android accessibility is still in the
>> process of maturing.
> In your opinion! Again, you're stating your own opinions as though they're
> facts. That's just neither reasonable nor fair.
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