[Loadstone] Porting to Android

Milos Przic milos.przic at gmail.com
Wed Oct 21 14:35:31 BST 2015

Hi Shawn,
I write only now because the hole conversation about the fundrasing and 
porting finished in my spam folder. Anyway, as a passionat user of the 
Loadstone app back on Symbian, and as a passionate user of android (and not 
a developer), let me have my two senses on this. I hope that noone will get 
offended, this is not my intention.
However, the problem with blind people is that they want everything 
perfectly set for them, and when they think that they have it, they don't 
want to see the cons of their choice, they see only pros. This has been the 
case with the ios-android problem on all levels, by which I mean among the 
developers, among the advanced users and among average ones. It was shone in 
your statements too! For example, you talked about the unlocked android 
phone. By talking about it, you actually said that an ios device has to be 
unlocked by finding a workaround for that, and in case of Android, the word 
workaround gives you concerns. So if you and all other ios fanatics out 
there wanted to look on the things in a  more objective manner, the things 
would be easier. And here is some personal statistics, similar to the one 
that Emanuel brought out by mentioning the school where he works. I am from 
Serbia and I don't know many people who use IPhone. The first reason is its 
price, the second reason is that it is a closed and limited platform: many 
apps available on the App store you can not buy in Serbia, for example. I 
know a hole lot of people who use android, and are happy to find the thing 
you refer to as workaround rather than to buy a pricy, more limited thing 
that apparently doesn't require workarounds. I had studied in Italy for 3 
years, and people there had more Ihpones because of the standard of the 
country. When I braught Android into attention as a possibility, I was 
ridiculed. The final result, however, was passing of the most fanatic ios 
users to Android, thanks to its fast growing accessibility and never ended 
flexibility! So if the things were said in another manner, for example, if 
the donation were for Android and not for ios, you could count on my 
donation, and I know at least a few other people who will not! donate for 
Iphone but wil be more than glad to donate for Android. The reason for this 
is the behavior of the ios users towards the other platforms (you should see 
my italian friends trying to justify the Ihpone 6 possibility to be bended). 
And no, this is not only the matter of personal opinion, as you said before, 
because if you base something so public as the fundrasing is on the personal 
opinion and not on the facts, the fundrasing wil unfortunately remain on 0.
Again, I didn't intend to offend, I just wanted to illustrate the situation 
in a most objective way possible. I hope to see my so far most favorite gps 
app Loadstone for Android!
          Miloš Pržić
Twitter: MilosPrzic
Skype: Milosh-hs
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" <shawn at loadstone-gps.com>
To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Porting to Android

> Thank you for the offer, this actually sounds like a nice little phone so 
> I'll give it some thought. Unfortunately phraises like "it's not very 
> comfortable with talkback" cause me concern. The more I read about 
> accessibility and the android platform the more of these phraises I keep 
> seeing. Things like:
> If you change the default synthesizer ...
> once you change the default home screen launcher ...
> depending on device selection ...
> and android version ...
> some applications are accessible but ...
> there's a work around for ...
> Then after every ... there's an explanation of something that might work 
> or partially work.
> I found someone I know that has an android phone so I'm hoping to at least 
> get a look at it in the next week or so to either confirm or deny some of 
> these things. I don't want to get in to a situation where I'm developing 
> for a device or platform that is only useful for loadstone or maybe not 
> even that. We made a similar mistake while developing loadstone for the 
> nokia phones. Most nokia phones were fine (for what they were at the time) 
> but then I was given an n97 mini for testing. This was a phone with a 
> touch screen and a slide out keyboard. The usability on this phone was 
> absolutely horrible. The combination of the symbian os, the touch 
> interface, and the support that talks had for it made the worst experience 
> possible. Ttechnically it worked and could be called accessible but 
> practically speaking the device wasn't usable for anything, loadstone 
> maybe worst of all. This phone now just sits on my desk and never got to 
> the point of being road tested with loadstone. The lesson learned here is 
> that there can be a very big difference between accessibility and 
> usability and a device that isn't usable just doesn't get used. If I'm 
> going to spend the time effort and money to develop for a platform then I 
> want to make very sure it's something I can actually use.
> I'm glad to hear that development (at least eclipse) is accessible. This 
> would seem to put android and ios on equal footing in that area at least.
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Emanuel Boboiu wrote:
>> I have a Samsung Young phone which I can give you for free, I can send it 
>> from Romania via Mail if it's possible. It is a 60 euros price, but it 
>> has everything: wifi, GPS, memory ram one giga, like an iPhone 5, it has 
>> 4 GB internal storage and support a 64 SD card flash memory, I have here 
>> one of 8 GB which I can put inside before sending.
>> Of course this phone is small and it is not so confortable with talkback, 
>> but everything can be done with a little patience. Even Google Maps 
>> works. You can use of course Google Maps APIs for free.
>> If you are interested, my e-mail address is emanuelboboiu at gmail dot 
>> com.
>>   Best regards,
>>    Manu
>> -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Kirkpatrick
>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 3:47 PM
>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Porting to Android
>> I keep hearing about these sub $100 android devices, so hear's a 
>> challenge
>> for anyone, find a sub $100 android unlocked phone in Canada. The 
>> hardware
>> would at least have to have a gps and enough memory to hold a reasonable
>> amount of map data. It would also have to perform well with talkback. I 
>> look
>> forward to seeing what people come up with.
>> As for loadstone being a web app that's not what loadstone is all about. 
>> The
>> idea is to have it work without a data plan or connectivity of any kind. 
>> Of
>> course if you have connectivity even better for data loading and other
>> features but the basics will function offline.
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2015, Kotian, H P wrote:
>>> All
>>> I am getting a feeling, there is a strong resistance porting to Android. 
>>> Nexsas devices are indeed pricy. But there are plenty of Android devices 
>>> which are Sub $100 which has the GPS and decent hardware to test the 
>>> developed apps.
>>> Usability of Android devices gets a bit impacted by customisations been 
>>> done by vendors. However, they will not come in the way of testing a 
>>> developed apps.
>>> Moto G is not pricy at all and they are Stock Android.
>>> At any rate, the approach to make the appweb based would take care of 
>>> all the platform issues.
>>> Do consider the developments on this line.
>>> Harish Kotian
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