[Loadstone] mailing list archives

monty at loadstone-gps.com monty at loadstone-gps.com
Mon May 10 09:49:31 BST 2010

Kerry, I agree with  you regarding list archives.  The system is far from 
perfect and searching through nearly 8000 messages probably isn't the 
funnest thing in the world to do.  A wiki might help somewhat but you're 
right about up-keep and inclination.  More importantly people would need 
to read the wiki and my life time of observations have taught me that 
people want a quick fix and don't like reading.  Admittedly I too fall 
into this category at times!

Podcasts might be a useful tool for some and we would definitely welcome 
any useful/accurate podcasts if anyone has submissions.

I perhaps came across stronger than intended in my last post.  It just 
came from reading what seems like weeks of posts from people that make 
definitive statements as fact when really they are guesses or assumptions 
that are quite often incorrect - there-by leading some folks up the garden 
path or creating a lot of unnecessary work for people.

As an example, the Frequently Asked Questions page on the Loadstone web 
site contains answers to many questions discussed on this list.  It is a 
fairly short yet informative list of questions and answers:


As an example...

Q: I just downloaded and installed Loadstone GPS and there does not appear 
to be any map data?

A:  Loadstone GPS does not come by default with any mapping data. This is 
because most map-data suppliers charge exorbitant licensing fees to use 
their information. Instead we prefer to combine freely available mapping 
data with points that Loadstone GPS users have created themselves and are 
willing to share amongst the community. Our points database currently has 
street-map information for most of North America, transport stop/station 
information for the United Kingdom, and many other freely available points 
of interest from all over the world. The Loadstone GPS community is always 
adding self-created points And we will make more data available as other 
Country's begin to release geographical data into the public domain. After 
all, it is usually money from public taxpayers that fund government 
Geographical information collection projects anyway!

Regarding changes from one version to the next.  Every new release comes 
with a file containing release notes.  this file documents all changes 
since the previous version and will quickly tell you what you need to 
know.  Further information on how some of these changes work can be found 
in the documentation.


On Mon, 10 May 2010, Kerry Hoath wrote:

> Personally I have found the archives of any mailing list to be a difficult 
> resource to navigate at the best of times.
> Whilst the archives themselves are easy to browse, the noise from new users, 
> (and the noise from long-time users I even point at this post for that) the 
> incorrect subject lines and the gems of information hidden in seemingly 
> unrelated posts are an obstacle to getting information in a timely manner.
> We have mailing list archives for the Cisco academy for the Vision impaired 
> and whilst all the information is there, (no question about that) a user has 4 
> years of posts to sift through to find the good stuff.
> eveng keying a search on keywords you think should exist might not yield what 
> you want.
> It's a daunting task indeed for a new user to scan years worth of archives in 
> the hopes of retrieving a few gems of required knowledge that will fill in the 
> holes in their understanding.
> Many projects opt for a wiki to combat this but that requires people with the 
> time and inclination to maintain it.
> I recall feeling somewhat dispirited at the thought of re-reading the 
> documentation to find out what has changed since 0.69. I'll probably grin and 
> bare it but how many people won't?
> I was thinking a few podcasts or audio tutorials might help a new user get up 
> to speed faster, at least get the users to a point where they feel comfortable 
> enough using loadstone to learn more.
> If I record any i'll let the list know.
> It has been my experience that no matter how much we rant rave scold scream 
> and complain many users don't learn well from written documentation.
> They either want to be shown, have it taught to them or had their hand held 
> during the learning process.
> This can be laziness sure, but often a more practical method of instruction is 
> how many people learn.
> Also the "I want to know _now_" how to do this mindset in today's society 
> often undermines the learning process. It took me 2 days to get comfortable 
> with the basics of loadstone in the beginning, and probably 2-3 weeks to 
> really get the hang of the system and I learn relatively quickly generally 
> speaking.
> I'm patient to know that things that are likely to change my life are going to 
> take time to learn and integrate.
> I had no idea there were bus and ferry and train stops in the pointshare for 
> Brittain and i've been on this list since late 2006. I'll certainly take a 
> look through the archives and see what I find.
> In Perth Western Australia there are few points in pointshare if any, and 
> whilst I intend to add some for many of us who have resigned ourselves to 
> living in an area with poor map data it's difficult to get the motivation to 
> look unless you know there is something to find.
> For example openstreetmap has nothing in my area and the google stuff is a 
> recent adition.
> Our points were done by hand on buses trains and walking for the most part, 
> with my partially sighted wife at the time putting them in with a bluetooth 
> keyboard.
> We also managed points from the street directory extracting them with ozi 
> explorer. Not a task a new user is likely to undertake and impossible without 
> some sight.
> Regards, Kerry.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <monty at loadstone-gps.com>
> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Looking for guidence to learn and evaluate Loadstone
>> It always baffles me when I read misinformation on this list!  UK bus stops, 
>> train stations, ferry ports and taxi ranks have all been available for a 
>> number of years.  Train stations since 2004 (when I created them) and the 
>> other transport points for the past 2.5 years!
>> If people would only use the Point Share Exchange, or read the archives!
>> Monty
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