[Loadstone] Loadstone PointShare/gRoute and databases

Laura Glowacki orangebutterfly87 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 20 15:58:59 BST 2010


That cleared a lot up for me.  I didn't realize there was a difference.  I 
just thought the terms were being used interchangeably.  Thank you for the 
info!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gemma Hoath" <gemma at ratbaggy.net>
To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Loadstone PointShare/gRoute and databases


> HI Sean and Jerry,
>
> I have found when talking to people about getting started with Loadstone 
> is
> the thing they struggle with the most is the distinction between the
> database and checkpoints. So I was talking to someone who said they had
> given up on Loadstone because they couldn't get it to auto announce. He 
> said
> he had loaded up the database, and had turned auto announce on, but it 
> still
> didn't talk so he gave up.
>
> I think of Databases and checkpoitns as follows:
>
> A database is a repository of all the points you have entered. So when you
> enter a point, it goes into the database.
>
> A checkpoint list, is a subset of points, which you have "checked" in your
> database. This can be done either on the phone in Exploration Mode, or on
> the Online Database Explration Tools. Personally, I find it easier to use
> the online tools than it is to fiddle about in Exploration Mode.
>
> So you need a Checkpoints list if you want a specific route, such as bus
> stops on a bus route, or train station stops. you can load each list of
> checkpoints as you move to each mode of transport if you wish.
>
> I aim this message at Sean Randall, to say rather than having different
> databases for your different modes of transport, you can have one 
> database,
> the default database loading all the time, and just loade up different
> chekpoint files, depending on what you want to do. This way, you can use 
> the
> auto announce feature as well, and it means all your points are still 
> there
> when you go from mode to mode. For example, if you are riding on a bus and
> then are transferring to a train, you could still locate the point for the
> train station.
>
> In this way, you can eliminate the problem of finding points that are not
> relevant to your current situation. You change the context in which you 
> are
> working by changing the checkpoints you load.
>
> Jerry: I hope this clears things up and explains them for you.
>
> Regards
>
> Gemma
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sean Randall" <seanr at randylaptop.com>
> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Loadstone PointShare/gRoute and databases
>
>
> Monty,
>
> One of the things that puts me off about the point share is the fact that
> it's so overwhelmingly huge, I think.  I use 3 databases with my 
> loadstone,
> at the moment.
>
> My default is the local walking one, as it were.  I haven't shared this 
> with
> the community because unless anyone wants to come walk to my house it's of
> no use to anyone.  In fact there are only three or four points, but our 
> gate
> is one of them and it's very useful to know when to stop jogging if I'm 
> out
> for a run.
>
> The second database is my local bus stops.  I used the PSE to get some, 
> but
> others are almost spontaneous - we're quite rural, the drivers tend to 
> stop
> when they're flagged down and so I've had to put in more landmarks than
> stops, to be able to ring the bell to get off. Of course as I use more 
> local
> services I add more points.
>
> Third is my UK Railway stations, to which I linked ages ago on the list.
> The share has most if not all of these too.
>
> This keeps things quite modular for me.  I load up loadstone, walk to the
> bus stop, load the bus database, if I then catch a train I switch that one
> in. I have a "Hereford" point in the railway station database, but also a
> "Hereford" for the bus stop I use most often.  Because they're separate, 
> the
> names don't conflict.
>
> If I had all the points I used loaded all of the time, Loadstone would
> respond quite slowly when searching.  If I named the points more exactly,
> it'd take so much longer to read the names of them that I may well end up
> missing a stop.  This is why I like having discrete places for each type 
> of
> point that I want to use.
>
> Everyone's different, of course - people have been posting here about 
> having
> state-wide databases with all the streets and intersections.  I'm sure 
> that
> works well for some, it's just not the way I like to do things.
>
> What is the policy with the point share.  Should I upload my bus stops as
> they are? "Memorial, Whitecross" is not a very descriptive name - if it
> wasn't in a "bus" database you'd have no way of knowing what it 
> represented.
> Similarly, you could go too far the other way - "Memorial bus stop,
> Whitecross, Herefordshire,, UK" seems a tad too verbose. I suppose my
> question really relates to categorisation and taxonomy, but as it's very
> much a personal preference as to how people want to sort things, it's a
> difficult one to answer.
>
> Am I being thick?  Should I not segment things in such a way? Am I the 
> only
> person who thinks downloads of databases as well as individual points or
> searches is beneficial?
>
> Sean.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of
> monty at loadstone-gps.com
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010. 10:39 AM
> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
> Subject: [Loadstone] Loadstone PointShare/gRoute and databases
>
> Hello All,
>
> While I was away it seems like there has been a lot of chatter regarding
> sources of Loadstone-compatible point resources and I thought I would
> clarify a few things - clearing up misinformation that I often see on this
> list.
>
> There is only 1 officially supported points repository for Loadstone and
> it  is called the Loadstone PointShare.
>
> There are two ways of accessing the Loadstone PointShare:
>
> 1.  Visit: http://www.pse.loadstone-gps.com
>
> 2.  Access via the Loadstone-GPS web site
>
> The Loadstone PointShare contains points of interest from around the
> world.  It is populated by you the users ((if nobody shares then nobody
> benefits).  Some users (including members of the Loadstone development
> team) have supplied large datasets of points.  These include all road
> intersections in Canada and the USA, all transportation stops in the
> United Kingdom and thousands of personally created points.  I happen to
> know that most of you (yes, even some of you that periotically complain
> have not been good little boys and girls and have not shared your points)
> - I can include myself in this category at times too!
>
> Is there room for improvement on the Loadstone PointShare?  Yes, there's
> loads of room for improvement.  A group of volunteers has been setup to
> deal with this but lacks leadership and direction at the moment so if
> anyone would like to help then please let me know.
>
> gRoute and Open StreetMap are not officially supported at this time and
> officially have nothing to do with Loadstone.  This might change in the
> future but this is the way it is for now.
>
> It very much surprises me that so many people over-look the points
> available to them  from the Loadstone PointShare.  I realise information
> is a bit thin on the ground in most areas of the world  (I myself live in
> a country that isn't well-served by the PointShare) but many Loadstone
> users live in Canada and the USA and have access to very good information.
>
> Remember that Loadstone does not replace good mobility skills.  The
> original intended purpose was for you to mark points along a route when
> going somewhere for the first time and then using Loadstone to help during
> subsequent trips.
>
> Now, with the Internet users can acquire the coordinates for an intended
> destination  (on their PC or through Loadstone's newly supported onLine
> tool  menu) and plan a route prior to going on it.  In fact to prove how
> well this works, last week I was in London (a city that I don't live in
> and am not hugely familiar with the streets/areas etc) and I spent the day
> independantly wandering around - using Loadstone to guide me with the help
> of some points of interest from GoogleMaps.  It was a pleasant experience
> and I'm still here to write about it!
>
> We continue to put effort into the Online tools area in Loadstone and I
> hope to  get time in the near future to continue working on scripts that
> can be used in the OnLine tool menu.
>
> Thanks, and I hope this clears up some confusio.
>
> Monty
>
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