[Loadstone] Loadstone PointShare/gRoute and databases

Sean Randall seanr at randylaptop.com
Mon Jul 19 11:44:51 BST 2010


One of the things that puts me off about the point share is the fact that
it's so overwhelmingly huge, I think.  I use 3 databases with my loadstone,
at the moment.

My default is the local walking one, as it were.  I haven't shared this with
the community because unless anyone wants to come walk to my house it's of
no use to anyone.  In fact there are only three or four points, but our gate
is one of them and it's very useful to know when to stop jogging if I'm out
for a run.

The second database is my local bus stops.  I used the PSE to get some, but
others are almost spontaneous - we're quite rural, the drivers tend to stop
when they're flagged down and so I've had to put in more landmarks than
stops, to be able to ring the bell to get off. Of course as I use more local
services I add more points.  

Third is my UK Railway stations, to which I linked ages ago on the list.
The share has most if not all of these too.

This keeps things quite modular for me.  I load up loadstone, walk to the
bus stop, load the bus database, if I then catch a train I switch that one
in. I have a "Hereford" point in the railway station database, but also a
"Hereford" for the bus stop I use most often.  Because they're separate, the
names don't conflict.

If I had all the points I used loaded all of the time, Loadstone would
respond quite slowly when searching.  If I named the points more exactly,
it'd take so much longer to read the names of them that I may well end up
missing a stop.  This is why I like having discrete places for each type of
point that I want to use.

Everyone's different, of course - people have been posting here about having
state-wide databases with all the streets and intersections.  I'm sure that
works well for some, it's just not the way I like to do things.

What is the policy with the point share.  Should I upload my bus stops as
they are? "Memorial, Whitecross" is not a very descriptive name - if it
wasn't in a "bus" database you'd have no way of knowing what it represented.
Similarly, you could go too far the other way - "Memorial bus stop,
Whitecross, Herefordshire,, UK" seems a tad too verbose. I suppose my
question really relates to categorisation and taxonomy, but as it's very
much a personal preference as to how people want to sort things, it's a
difficult one to answer. 

Am I being thick?  Should I not segment things in such a way? Am I the only
person who thinks downloads of databases as well as individual points or
searches is beneficial? 


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Subject: [Loadstone] Loadstone PointShare/gRoute and databases

Hello All,

While I was away it seems like there has been a lot of chatter regarding 
sources of Loadstone-compatible point resources and I thought I would 
clarify a few things - clearing up misinformation that I often see on this 

There is only 1 officially supported points repository for Loadstone and 
it  is called the Loadstone PointShare.

There are two ways of accessing the Loadstone PointShare:

1.  Visit: http://www.pse.loadstone-gps.com

2.  Access via the Loadstone-GPS web site

The Loadstone PointShare contains points of interest from around the 
world.  It is populated by you the users ((if nobody shares then nobody 
benefits).  Some users (including members of the Loadstone development 
team) have supplied large datasets of points.  These include all road 
intersections in Canada and the USA, all transportation stops in the 
United Kingdom and thousands of personally created points.  I happen to 
know that most of you (yes, even some of you that periotically complain 
have not been good little boys and girls and have not shared your points) 
- I can include myself in this category at times too!

Is there room for improvement on the Loadstone PointShare?  Yes, there's 
loads of room for improvement.  A group of volunteers has been setup to 
deal with this but lacks leadership and direction at the moment so if 
anyone would like to help then please let me know.

gRoute and Open StreetMap are not officially supported at this time and 
officially have nothing to do with Loadstone.  This might change in the 
future but this is the way it is for now.

It very much surprises me that so many people over-look the points 
available to them  from the Loadstone PointShare.  I realise information 
is a bit thin on the ground in most areas of the world  (I myself live in 
a country that isn't well-served by the PointShare) but many Loadstone 
users live in Canada and the USA and have access to very good information.

Remember that Loadstone does not replace good mobility skills.  The 
original intended purpose was for you to mark points along a route when 
going somewhere for the first time and then using Loadstone to help during 
subsequent trips.

Now, with the Internet users can acquire the coordinates for an intended 
destination  (on their PC or through Loadstone's newly supported onLine 
tool  menu) and plan a route prior to going on it.  In fact to prove how 
well this works, last week I was in London (a city that I don't live in 
and am not hugely familiar with the streets/areas etc) and I spent the day 
independantly wandering around - using Loadstone to guide me with the help 
of some points of interest from GoogleMaps.  It was a pleasant experience 
and I'm still here to write about it!

We continue to put effort into the Online tools area in Loadstone and I 
hope to  get time in the near future to continue working on scripts that 
can be used in the OnLine tool menu.

Thanks, and I hope this clears up some confusio.


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