[Loadstone] Loadstone Digest, Vol 43, Issue 24

Ömer Yesiltas yesiltas1981 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 26 17:35:12 GMT 2010


Hi, even i am using an AGPS and waas egnose enabled gps reciever, my 
accuracy does not become under 6 metres. I do not think internal gps can get 
2m accuracy fix.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" <shawn at loadstone-gps.com>
To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Loadstone Digest, Vol 43, Issue 24


> Are you sure you're not seeing the raw hdop or pdop values? These may be 
> around the numbers you suggest but they don't represent accuracy in 
> metres, they're a multiplier used to obtain an accuracy estimate. The sirf 
> star ii chipset just isn't capable of accuracies in this range even with 
> waas/egnos correction enabled. As far as I know the internal receivers 
> don't support waas/egnos so you wouldn't be getting that correction.
> As for the faster activation, do you have maps set to use agps? If so then 
> the start time will be faster if you have a cellular data plan. You can 
> set loadstone to use this as well, just select agps instead of gps from 
> the list of available gps sources.
>
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010, kwaggapro at vodamail.co.za wrote:
>
>> To my frend at loadstone with regards to the internal gps on nokia 
>> phones. I agree with what you are saying but i can prove that with my e66 
>> i get an acurit reading with in 1 1.3 and 1.6 meters and it has been 
>> raining the last few days in johannesburg. My activation is faster while 
>> i am moving. And my signal is more stable once i loaded maps. What i do 
>> find though is that if u unload maps and loadstone and then reload 
>> loadstone it gets a signal streight away? Pleas clear that up for me? 
>> Obviously you know something about these things loadstone activates my 
>> gps yes but it takes much longer then to load maps and get the gps up and 
>> running.
>>
>> -original message-
>> Subject: Loadstone Digest, Vol 43, Issue 24
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>> Date: 25/01/2010 2:05 pm
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1.  South African points database for corrie from Quagga
>>      (Jacob Kruger)
>>   2. Re:  South African points database for corrie from Quagga
>>      (Jacob Kruger)
>>   3. Re:  Internal gps (Shawn Kirkpatrick)
>>   4.  Loadstone connecting to the internal gps. (Kwagga productions)
>>   5. Re:  Loadstone connecting to the internal gps. (Jacob Kruger)
>>   6.  YNT: Re:  Loadstone connecting to the internal gps.
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:24:15 +0200
>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk at mailzone.co.za>
>> To: "Loadstone mailing list" <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>> Subject: [Loadstone] South African points database for corrie from
>> Quagga
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>> Ok, while it seems there's currently some or other DNS issue with my
>> webserver host, since could upload file to actual hostname, but can't 
>> access
>> site at this stage, here's a link for you to try downloading the SA 
>> Points
>> database from sometime:
>> http://www.blindza.co.za/uploads/SAPoints
>>
>> It's around 3.5Mb, and is just a loadstone database file.
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:22:59 +0200
>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk at mailzone.co.za>
>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] South African points database for corrie from
>> Quagga
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>> Ok, here's the link to the sendspace page to download this file:
>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/kp7ob3
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk at mailzone.co.za>
>> To: "Loadstone mailing list" <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:24 AM
>> Subject: [Loadstone] South African points database for corrie from Quagga
>>
>>
>>> Ok, while it seems there's currently some or other DNS issue with my
>>> webserver host, since could upload file to actual hostname, but can't
>>> access site at this stage, here's a link for you to try downloading the 
>>> SA
>>> Points database from sometime:
>>> http://www.blindza.co.za/uploads/SAPoints
>>>
>>> It's around 3.5Mb, and is just a loadstone database file.
>>>
>>> Stay well
>>>
>>> Jacob Kruger
>>> Blind Biker
>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:47:03 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Shawn Kirkpatrick <shawn at loadstone-gps.com>
>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Internal gps
>> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1001242331500.25157 at odyssey.shawnk.ca>
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>> Let me clear up the information on the internal gps receiver.
>> This receiver uses the sirf*ii chipset, a rather old chipset from around
>> 2004 or so. This being the case the receiver will take longer to acquire 
>> a
>> signal and will have a harder time holding it. The accuracy on these
>> receivers isn't bad but anyone claiming a 1 metre accuracy is just wrong,
>> this isn't going to happen even if the receiver is using waas/egnos
>> correction. The waas/egnos setting in loadstone has absolutely no effect 
>> on
>> the internal gps receiver since this receiver is read-only loadstone 
>> can't
>> send any commands to it.
>> You do not have to start nokia maps or any other application to activate 
>> the
>> receiver, loadstone does this itself. If people are noticing that this 
>> gives
>> them a signal faster maybe it's because the other programs are using agps
>> instead of gps.
>> Agps will help to get the initial signal faster and if you have a data 
>> plan
>> and want this then agps is the thing to use. This is all agps does, it's 
>> not
>> a real-time gps correction system.
>> According to the nokia manual for best gps receiver performance do the
>> following: start using the gps receiver with a clear view of the sky, 
>> this
>> means outside, not indoors. You'll also want to be standing still for 
>> best
>> results. Hold the phone at a 45 degree angle, if the phone has a slide 
>> such
>> as on the n95 then open it. On the n95 the gps receiver is located under 
>> the
>> 0 key, on the n82 the gps receiver is located closer to the top of the
>> phone. Then wait until a signal is acquired. Sometimes this can take 
>> quite a
>> long time. Once a signal is acquired the receiver should hold it but this
>> will depend on other conditions that effect gps signals. If you are using
>> the n95 closing the slide may result in the receiver losing signal more
>> often.
>> It's been reported that the receiver on the n82 works better than the one 
>> on
>> the n95. This is probably because of the different location of the 
>> receiver,
>> as far as anyone knows they're the same hardware.
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have noticed that LS can alone activate the internal receiver of N82, 
>>> no
>>> need to run Maps or any other application. However ability to share the
>>> internal gps is a nice feature.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mr. M01510 & guide Loadstone-GPS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010, Jacob Kruger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you run nokia maps and loadstone at the same time?
>>>>
>>>> As in start nokia maps, and then hit something like hang up key to put 
>>>> it
>>>> in background, or just enter menu system and start loadstone, so 
>>>> they're
>>>> both running at same time?
>>>>
>>>> If this makes GPS accuracy better will have to try it out on my N82, 
>>>> since
>>>> currently just start nokia maps first, wait a bit and kill it after 
>>>> it's
>>>> definitely activated the GPS internal unit and then start loadstone.
>>>>
>>>> Stay well
>>>>
>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>> Blind Biker
>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kwagga productions"
>>>> <kwaggapro at vodamail.co.za>
>>>> To: "Loadstone request" <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:31 AM
>>>> Subject: [Loadstone] Internal gps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi the problem isnt with your gps. Load nokia maps in the background.
>>>>> Loadstone doesnt activate well with the internal gps systems on n95 
>>>>> and
>>>>> 66. I tested these phones and got the same problem on both. When u run
>>>>> maps loadstone is accurit with in 1 meter. The guys at loadstone need 
>>>>> to
>>>>> sort that out so that loadstone can activate the internal gps. It 
>>>>> works
>>>>> like a bomb on the external systems but u need a program like nokia 
>>>>> maps
>>>>> to start your internal gps. I know thats a bother.
>>>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:05:54 +0200
>> From: "Kwagga productions" <kwaggapro at vodamail.co.za>
>> To: Loadstone request <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>> Subject: [Loadstone] Loadstone connecting to the internal gps.
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>> Hi guys. I am writing this from my phone as i am busy mapping again. I 
>> went and tried to connect loadstone on its own with out loading maps. Yes 
>> it does connect but it takes about an hour and the best way to get it to 
>> connect is to be on the move. Now there i can say that the internal gps 
>> systems are sensitive and dont like to take readings when you are 
>> standing still. As i said use the manual. Guys you'll be surprised at how 
>> mutch you will get out of it. I will keep testing and let you guys know 
>> what i come across. In the mean time guys i need to get a map of south 
>> africa. If one of you can help me with a conversion pleas? At the moment 
>> i am walking from place to place to get accurit readings.  Take care.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:40:52 +0200
>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk at mailzone.co.za>
>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Loadstone connecting to the internal gps.
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>> Like said, normally first load nokia maps. wait a minute or two, kill it 
>> and
>> then wait another minute or so, and then load loadstone, all on my N82, 
>> and
>> works alright most of the time.
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kwagga productions" <kwaggapro at vodamail.co.za>
>> To: "Loadstone request" <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:05 AM
>> Subject: [Loadstone] Loadstone connecting to the internal gps.
>>
>>
>>> Hi guys. I am writing this from my phone as i am busy mapping again. I
>>> went and tried to connect loadstone on its own with out loading maps. 
>>> Yes
>>> it does connect but it takes about an hour and the best way to get it to
>>> connect is to be on the move. Now there i can say that the internal gps
>>> systems are sensitive and dont like to take readings when you are 
>>> standing
>>> still. As i said use the manual. Guys you'll be surprised at how mutch 
>>> you
>>> will get out of it. I will keep testing and let you guys know what i 
>>> come
>>> across. In the mean time guys i need to get a map of south africa. If 
>>> one
>>> of you can help me with a conversion pleas? At the moment i am walking
>>> from place to place to get accurit readings.  Take care.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Loadstone mailing list
>>> Loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:04:35 +0200
>> From: "=?UTF-8?B?w5ZtZXIgeWXFn2lsdGHFnw==?=" <yesiltas1981 at gmail.com>
>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Subject: [Loadstone] YNT: Re:  Loadstone connecting to the internal
>> gps.
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>> Hi, loadstone was getting signal quickly when i was using n82 without 
>> maps or any other application.
>>
>> -- orijinal mesaj --
>> Konu: Re: [Loadstone] Loadstone connecting to the internal gps.
>> Kimden: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk at mailzone.co.za>
>> Tarih: 25.01.2010 10.58
>>
>> Like said, normally first load nokia maps. wait a minute or two, kill it 
>> and
>> then wait another minute or so, and then load loadstone, all on my N82, 
>> and
>> works alright most of the time.
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kwagga productions" <kwaggapro at vodamail.co.za>
>> To: "Loadstone request" <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:05 AM
>> Subject: [Loadstone] Loadstone connecting to the internal gps.
>>
>>
>>> Hi guys. I am writing this from my phone as i am busy mapping again. I
>>> went and tried to connect loadstone on its own with out loading maps. 
>>> Yes
>>> it does connect but it takes about an hour and the best way to get it to
>>> connect is to be on the move. Now there i can say that the internal gps
>>> systems are sensitive and dont like to take readings when you are 
>>> standing
>>> still. As i said use the manual. Guys you'll be surprised at how mutch 
>>> you
>>> will get out of it. I will keep testing and let you guys know what i 
>>> come
>>> across. In the mean time guys i need to get a map of south africa. If 
>>> one
>>> of you can help me with a conversion pleas? At the moment i am walking
>>> from place to place to get accurit readings.  Take care.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Loadstone mailing list
>>> Loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>> http://www.loadstone-gps.com/mailman/listinfo/loadstone
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