[Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.

Shawn Kirkpatrick shawn at loadstone-gps.com
Wed May 14 11:27:55 BST 2008


The docs are probably a pretty good place to start. It's pretty simple thoe, 
start the log and it logs all the nmea data from the gps receiver to a file 
called nmea.log. You can run this log thrue whatever processing you'd like 
and see what exactly the receiver sent.

On Wed, 14 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> Where can I find out more about the loadstone log function?
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Cearbhall
>
> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>
> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Kirkpatrick
> Sent: 14 May 2008 09:19
> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>
> No need to use a receiver with a data logger since you can just use
> loadstone's log function to get all data. Then you can process this data any
> way you want.
>
> On Wed, 14 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>
>> Dear Shawn,
>>
>> I think this is a very interesting proposition. I would like to give
>> it some thought before proposing a solution but I am thinking of
>> somehow trapping the data stored by such gPS receivers as the Royaltek
>> 2100. This receiver provides a log file of points recorded every 20
>> seconds or so. I have successfully interrogated this log file and pulled
> point data into Excel.
>> Naming the point is the difficulty and I have a way of doing that with
>> a generic name that the user would have to modify manually later by
>> passing through the same area again.
>>
>> As I say, I would like to give it some more thought and see if I can
>> come up with a proposal.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>
>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>> Kirkpatrick
>> Sent: 14 May 2008 08:06
>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>
>> I don't know why you'd think loadstone acting as a receiver would get
>> you other program's poi data. It's not a two way comunication between
>> the receiver and navigation program, it's pretty much read only.
>> Loadstone could send something a latitude/longitude but then what?
>> You'd still have to get the data out of the other program and get it
>> in to loadstone. This also would mean you'd have to know what
>> coordinates to send to get a point. You could do this with a pc and
> probably a lot faster as well.
>> As for copyright, if you somehow got this system to work (don't see
>> how) this would be pretty much the very definition of copyright
>> violation. you'd be copying information from one program to another,
>> probably rather against the commercial program's terms of use.
>>
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>  There were few years  ago a project called digistop attempting to
>>> collect location data about busstops and trains stations but that
>>> project ended without any major results.
>>>
>>>  I have also suggested using Loadstone as a gps receiver emulator and
>>> thus fooling other navigation packages to reveal  their POI data but
>>> no success either. I do not thing there will be any copyright
>>> problems because no data will  actually copied, neither location data
>>> or description of the POI. The situation is equivalent to moving into
>>> some location with one navigator and then storing the location with
>> Loadstone.
>>>
>>>
>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>> --
>>> mr. M01510
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008, Gianfranco Giudice wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ari
>>>>
>>>> Try to contact some public transportation companies to obtain their
>>>> point coordinates. So you can share it with others in Finland.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:11 AM
>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>
>>>> I think the latest version of talks (3.52.6) has tried to fix some
>>>> of these browser problems. If you can't upgrade this could be a
>>>> problem
>> thoe.
>>>> The file recognizer is on the todo list but it's a ways off. This
>>>> doesn't enable sending data, just receiving it. The whole sending
>>>> thing is another process. That'll take some thought, an sms is only
>>>> 160 characters so we'll have to ensure that a point's data can fit
>>>> in that. We'll also have to come up with propper file types for
> recognition.
>>>> If you're the only loadstone user in Finland then you should be
>>>> uploading data to the point share exchange. That way other users may
>>>> have some data to start with.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>  yes, the basic idea is similar to pointshare exchange.  There are
>>>>> however some differences:
>>>>>
>>>>> - This method will be mobile. I tried to use the pse and didn't
>>>>> even managed to the login page with neither of the screen readers
>>>>> with
>>>>> N73 so couldn't tell any details about it's usability. With 6680 i
>>>>> finally managed to get into login page, logged in, got a response
>>>>> about
>> invalid
>>>>> data but was  unable to enter   all search criteria, i couldn't figure
>> out
>>>>> how to put focus on the longitude field.  Unfortunately the phone
>>>>> browsers and screen readers are not here yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Most recent navigator application use online map data download.
>>>>> Because such feature will not according earlier messages to be
>>>>> implemented with Loadstone there  have to be developed some workaround.
>>>>>
>>>>> - This method will be moderately easy to use if Loadstone will
>>>>> implement tthe file type recognizer.
>>>>>
>>>>> - This will enable such feature as sending one's location to
>>>>> another user.  Returning home and using the desktop computer will
>>>>> defeat this type of functionality.
>>>>>
>>>>> - This method enables automatic retrieval of point data around
>>>>> user's current location.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Point data could  be sent to pse if desired. However  afaik i'm
>>>>> only LS user in Finland i have not hurried to use the exchanger yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>>>> --
>>>>> mr. M01510
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this exactly what the point
>>>>>> share exchange will do? You can send it your exported file and
>>>>>> then use various criteria to retrieve other points from the main
> database.
>>>>>> You could probably do this from the phone's browser if you wanted.
>>>>>> I think it would be nice if people would use the point share
>>>>>> exchange rather than creating a whole bunch of small side projects.
>>>>>> If things are combined then everyone can use them rather than
>>>>>> trying to hunt all over the place for bits of data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  This would be a great improvement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I'll currently building an email service to automatically merge
>>>>>>> LS export file into database and also extract a small area from
>>>>>>> the database if required and sent it to the phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Nothing fancy, just a basic functionality to get location  data
>>>>>>> 'on the road' and also a  way to send own current location to
>>>>>>> someone if
>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> mr. M01510
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We plan on making it possible for loadstone to intercept a
>>>>>>>> loadstone file if it's sent to the phone bypassing all the
>>>>>>>> current steps of using the inbox etc. This will be a rather
>>>>>>>> large job and I'm not completely sure it'll be possible with the
>>>>>>>> restrictions on
>>>> third edition.
>>>>>>>>
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