[Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.

Shawn Kirkpatrick shawn at loadstone-gps.com
Wed May 14 09:19:28 BST 2008


No need to use a receiver with a data logger since you can just use 
loadstone's log function to get all data. Then you can process this data any 
way you want.

On Wed, 14 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:

> Dear Shawn,
>
> I think this is a very interesting proposition. I would like to give it some
> thought before proposing a solution but I am thinking of somehow trapping
> the data stored by such gPS receivers as the Royaltek 2100. This receiver
> provides a log file of points recorded every 20 seconds or so. I have
> successfully interrogated this log file and pulled point data into Excel.
> Naming the point is the difficulty and I have a way of doing that with a
> generic name that the user would have to modify manually later by passing
> through the same area again.
>
> As I say, I would like to give it some more thought and see if I can come up
> with a proposal.
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Cearbhall
>
> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>
> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Kirkpatrick
> Sent: 14 May 2008 08:06
> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>
> I don't know why you'd think loadstone acting as a receiver would get you
> other program's poi data. It's not a two way comunication between the
> receiver and navigation program, it's pretty much read only. Loadstone could
> send something a latitude/longitude but then what? You'd still have to get
> the data out of the other program and get it in to loadstone. This also
> would mean you'd have to know what coordinates to send to get a point. You
> could do this with a pc and probably a lot faster as well.
> As for copyright, if you somehow got this system to work (don't see how)
> this would be pretty much the very definition of copyright violation. you'd
> be copying information from one program to another, probably rather against
> the commercial program's terms of use.
>
> On Wed, 14 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>  There were few years  ago a project called digistop attempting to
>> collect location data about busstops and trains stations but that
>> project ended without any major results.
>>
>>  I have also suggested using Loadstone as a gps receiver emulator and
>> thus fooling other navigation packages to reveal  their POI data but
>> no success either. I do not thing there will be any copyright problems
>> because no data will  actually copied, neither location data or
>> description of the POI. The situation is equivalent to moving into
>> some location with one navigator and then storing the location with
> Loadstone.
>>
>>
>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>> --
>> mr. M01510
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008, Gianfranco Giudice wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ari
>>>
>>> Try to contact some public transportation companies to obtain their
>>> point coordinates. So you can share it with others in Finland.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>> Kirkpatrick
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:11 AM
>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>
>>> I think the latest version of talks (3.52.6) has tried to fix some of
>>> these browser problems. If you can't upgrade this could be a problem
> thoe.
>>> The file recognizer is on the todo list but it's a ways off. This
>>> doesn't enable sending data, just receiving it. The whole sending
>>> thing is another process. That'll take some thought, an sms is only
>>> 160 characters so we'll have to ensure that a point's data can fit in
>>> that. We'll also have to come up with propper file types for recognition.
>>> If you're the only loadstone user in Finland then you should be
>>> uploading data to the point share exchange. That way other users may
>>> have some data to start with.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>>  yes, the basic idea is similar to pointshare exchange.  There are
>>>> however some differences:
>>>>
>>>> - This method will be mobile. I tried to use the pse and didn't even
>>>> managed to the login page with neither of the screen readers with
>>>> N73 so couldn't tell any details about it's usability. With 6680 i
>>>> finally managed to get into login page, logged in, got a response about
> invalid
>>>> data but was  unable to enter   all search criteria, i couldn't figure
> out
>>>> how to put focus on the longitude field.  Unfortunately the phone
>>>> browsers and screen readers are not here yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Most recent navigator application use online map data download.
>>>> Because such feature will not according earlier messages to be
>>>> implemented with Loadstone there  have to be developed some workaround.
>>>>
>>>> - This method will be moderately easy to use if Loadstone will
>>>> implement tthe file type recognizer.
>>>>
>>>> - This will enable such feature as sending one's location to another
>>>> user.  Returning home and using the desktop computer will defeat
>>>> this type of functionality.
>>>>
>>>> - This method enables automatic retrieval of point data around
>>>> user's current location.
>>>>
>>>> - Point data could  be sent to pse if desired. However  afaik i'm
>>>> only LS user in Finland i have not hurried to use the exchanger yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>>> --
>>>> mr. M01510
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this exactly what the point share
>>>>> exchange will do? You can send it your exported file and then use
>>>>> various criteria to retrieve other points from the main database.
>>>>> You could probably do this from the phone's browser if you wanted.
>>>>> I think it would be nice if people would use the point share
>>>>> exchange rather than creating a whole bunch of small side projects.
>>>>> If things are combined then everyone can use them rather than
>>>>> trying to hunt all over the place for bits of data.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  This would be a great improvement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'll currently building an email service to automatically merge
>>>>>> LS export file into database and also extract a small area from
>>>>>> the database if required and sent it to the phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Nothing fancy, just a basic functionality to get location  data
>>>>>> 'on the road' and also a  way to send own current location to
>>>>>> someone if
>>> needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> mr. M01510
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We plan on making it possible for loadstone to intercept a
>>>>>>> loadstone file if it's sent to the phone bypassing all the
>>>>>>> current steps of using the inbox etc. This will be a rather large
>>>>>>> job and I'm not completely sure it'll be possible with the
>>>>>>> restrictions on
>>> third edition.
>>>>>>>
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