[Loadstone] Unassigned keys.

Shawn Kirkpatrick shawn at loadstone-gps.com
Mon May 12 11:19:12 BST 2008


There's no plans for anything like double shifted or long shifted commands. 
That would just be a little strange.

On Mon, 12 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:

> Hi
>
>  The clear key is similar  modifier than  the  colon key in the vi editor.
> It is not pressed simultaneously with the command key  and mighth be
> pressed by accident and thus modifying the expected behavior of the
> command.
>
>  Personally  it does matter whether the clear key announces 'shift' or
> stays quiet until there will be double-shifted or long-shifted commands.
> In that case i'll like to know the current state of modifiers.
>
>
>
> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
> -- 
> mr. M01510
>
>
> On Mon, 12 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>
>> Let me see, how can I put this, no! The shift key isn't going to output
>> anything since it's a key modifier.
>> The screen clearing is being worked on, either functions will output a
>> result or just clear the screen if appropriate.
>>
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>  It might be worth of try.  Most commands will replace the screen with
>>> their results anyway and hsift  is only exception for this behavior.
>>>
>>>  In addition if there will be extended keyboard commands such as long
>>> shift or double press of shift as a prefix it would be good if the state
>>> of entering the command is announced.
>>>
>>>  For previous commands and their results there might be a short buffer to
>>> recall command and it's result but usually it is easier to re-issue the
>>> command.
>>>
>>>  btw: i think all functions results should be confirmed for some way or
>>> another. I had to think twice yesterday after i disconnect the gps and got
>>> announcement of gps fix, 7 satellites.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>> --
>>> mr. M01510
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>
>>>> While clearing the screen might work, (maybe but not for sure), this would
>>>> also erase the information on the screen. This would be bad if you were
>>>> trying to read the screen at the time of hitting the wrong key.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks for definition what screen reader should or not should to do but i
>>>>> didn't actually ask it.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Unfortunately i cannot tell a workaround, i'm not familiar with Symbian
>>>>> programming but i would try to clear the screen when shift is pressed. Or
>>>>> any unassigned key for that matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>>>> --
>>>>> mr. M01510
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The screen reader shouldn't read the screen unless something happens that
>>>>>> causes it to change. When an unused key is pressed loadstone just ignores
>>>>>> it causing no screen changes. Talks does the right thing and doesn't say
>>>>>> anything. If mobilespeak takes this as a reason to read the screen there's
>>>>>> nothing we can do about that.
>>>>>> The fact that talks says "talks" everytime the talks key is pressed is kind
>>>>>> of annoying and not a behaviour I'd want to duplicate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Usually i do not consider it  as a bug  if the screenreaders read the
>>>>>>> screen content.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  At least Talks users should not be annoyed because  Talks announces
>>>>>>> 'talks' every time the edit key is pressed. Probably 'shift' is not more
>>>>>>> annoying than result of previous function for MS users either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> mr. M01510
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That sounds like a mobilespeak bug. When a key is not assigned loadstone
>>>>>>>> doesn't do anything to the screen. Mobilespeak just seems to have some bugs
>>>>>>>> there's no work around for.
>>>>>>>> The shift speaking thing could be done but would probably get very annoying
>>>>>>>> very quickly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  One little wish for unassigned key behavior: it would help at least the
>>>>>>>>> beginners if unassigned key will clear the message buffer. Currently
>>>>>>>>> unassigned key will repeat the result of previous command.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Same problem with the shift key, it also repeats previous result with
>>>>>>>>> Mobilespeak.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  It would also help newcomers if the shift key is  announced by printing
>>>>>>>>> 'shift' in   the screen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> mr. M01510
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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