[Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.

Ari Moisio arimo at iki.fi
Thu May 8 11:53:32 BST 2008


Hi

  As soon as i find a Linux version.



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On Thu, 8 May 2008, Przemys?aw Rogalski wrote:

> Can't you use Phone Browser of Nokia PC Suite?
> ----- Wiadomo?? oryginalna -----
> Od: "Ari Moisio" <arimo at iki.fi>
> Do: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
> Wys?ano: 8 maja 2008 09:08
> Temat: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>>   There are also points that have occasionally to be exported or imported.
>> Exporting pointts with bt or or email  is quite feasible with the send
>> option but importing them with all the hassle with  inboxes, mail folders
>> and file managers is a pain in the ...
>>
>>
>>
>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>> --
>> mr. M01510
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>
>>> That'll only get you the sis file on the memory card, you still have to
>>> install it to the phone. Under linux you can just as easley (probably
>>> easier) do a bluetooth push. Having all loadstone's files in phone memory
>>> will make things run faster no matter what the case is. Either memory cards
>>> are slower than the type of internal memory the phone uses or the way the
>>> phone accesses the card is slower than it should be. I think this may be the
>>> case, a card in a card reader connected to a pc is much faster than when
>>> it's in the phone.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>>  In micro$oft-free environment it is easier to install data files in the
>>>> memory card. They could be accessed using the phone's  usb mass storage
>>>> features.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>>> --
>>>> mr. M01510
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In every case it's better to install to the phone's memory.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Przemys?aw Rogalski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In case of Nokia N82, where it is better to install Loadstone? Into phone
>>>>>> memory or Micro SD card?
>>>>>> ----- Wiadomo?? oryginalna -----
>>>>>> Od: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" <shawn at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>>> Do: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>>> Wys?ano: 8 maja 2008 01:58
>>>>>> Temat: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There'll be a status message displayed every minute or so in the next
>>>>>>> version. Maybe I'll add a sound to be played when an import or export
>>>>>>> completes. It probably did say export complete but you're not likely to be
>>>>>>> paying attention to the phone for 2.5 hours so it would be easy to miss.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> memory card is much slower than phone memory, I was able to export a 37000
>>>>>>> point file on my n70 in around 20 minutes but it was installed to the
>>>>>>> phone's memory. This will of course depend on your phone's processor speed
>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The export has completed and all seems to be well. The input file is
>>>>>>>> 49,998
>>>>>>>> entries and the exported version has lost two entries which is probably
>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>> to duplication.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I took a chance and left the phone untouched for 2.5 hours. There was no
>>>>>>>> speech feedback that the export had completed. My sighted son confirmed
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the screen said "Export complete". Is there any way to get some feedback
>>>>>>>> from this action? It looks, now, as if  I interrupted the export process
>>>>>>>> earlier today on the two occasions when I extracted the exported file. If
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> had loaded the 99,999 entries I should, presumably, have let the process
>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>> for some five hours uninterrupted. I would welcome any comments from our
>>>>>>>> experts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O
>>>>>>>> Meadhra
>>>>>>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 12:28
>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Shawn,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will try to get sighted assistance to see if there is still activity.
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> are right that I am using .69 version so I will move up before trying
>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>> The phone did not lock up so that is the confusing thing as a lock-up
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> have indicated that the backup was still proceeding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 11:33
>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try using the latest version, there's very little point trying to debug
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> old version. The system will say export complete, wait until that
>>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>>> This will probably take quite a while if you're using a memory card,
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> much slower than phone memory. While the export is happening the program
>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>> appear to be locked up. It's still running but using all resources for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> database processing. The backlight on the screen will turn on every so
>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>> and that'll indicate it's still running. That might not help if you can't
>>>>>>>> see it thoe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am using v0.69.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you find any way of noting progress with the export? You reported
>>>>>>>>> yesterday that you had managed to export only 4,000 entries. I managed
>>>>>>>>> 6,000 this morning and then when I tried again I managed 22,000! I
>>>>>>>>> left the second one run longer before looking for the file. The system
>>>>>>>>> did not tell me that it had finished so I am not sure if I have been
>>>>>>>>> interrupting the export process each time. What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 09:49
>>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What version of LoadStone are you now using for this import?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll probably also retry it using 0.70 a bit later, but will first
>>>>>>>>> back up my memory card contents again, and will then compare the two.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>>>>>>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:09 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am loading the two files into my own phone and will let you know
>>>>>>>>>> how the export goes when they are in position.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>>>>>>> Kruger
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 21:36
>>>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Along the lines of this, will maybe try re-importing them into the
>>>>>>>>>> new 0.70 version once I have got around to trying it out, but will
>>>>>>>>>> let you know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tanks Shawn,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> then the 99,996 entreies in the South african file are all unique
>>>>>>>>>>> because they have each been given a unique time-based id string.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We will have to see if we can find out why jacob can only export a
>>>>>>>>>>> quarter of the entries which he loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 13:17
>>>>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A duplicate entry is one with the same id and userid. All other
>>>>>>>>>>> fields can be changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I got interested in this discussion and had a go on my two mobiles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found that the N70 would only put loadstone into the background
>>>>>>>>>>>> if I press the menu key and the 2 key. The hang-up key exited
>>>>>>>>>>>> Loadstone and did not put it into the background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The N6680 was different. On this phone the hang-up key does put the
>>>>>>>>>>>> loadstone program into the background and so also does the menu key
>>>>>>>>>>>> followed by the 2 key.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn, what constitutes a duplicate entry in loadstone? For
>>>>>>>>>>>> instance, some of the South African entries have the same longitude
>>>>>>>>>>>> and latitude but the names are different. Is this a duplicate? Do
>>>>>>>>>>>> all three fields have to be the same?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  _____
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>>>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 03:38
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Shawn and list!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting stuff. I just duplicated it here on my Nokia 6630
>>>>>>>>>>>> running Loadstone version .69. Got Loadstone going. Pressed end. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> took me back to main screen. Pressed long menu and Loadstone was
>>>>>>>>>>>> still running so was able to bring it back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Shawn  <mailto:shawn at loadstone-gps.com> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not the way most applications are sent to the background.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anybody name a case where this happens? The end key sends the
>>>>>>>>>>>> signal that according to the documentation the application is
>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to exit as soon as possible. Maybe the end key will
>>>>>>>>>>>> background on some phones but not on any
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've seen. You can tell if an application has gone in to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> background if you hit long menu, that'll give the currently running
>>>>>>>>>>> applications list.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's only one situation that may appear to do this, the contacts
>>>>>>>>>>>> application. When you make a call from there it keeps running in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the background after the call completes. I think this is because
>>>>>>>>>>>> when making a call the contacts application actually just switches
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the always running phone application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jim Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering why you don't let it run in the background when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> end or handup button is pressed as this is the way most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications are sent to the background?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Loadstone mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One minor correction to your post, pressing the hang up or end
>>>>>>>>>>>>> button will not cause loadstone to run in the background. That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end button and that means end now without asking questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe on some phones this button will cause the running program to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop to the background but not on any phones I've seen. This could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain why your files are different. I'd also guess that maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your files had some duplicates that would explain
>>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're not exactly the same size when exported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jacob Kruger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Along the lines of what we've being looking into over the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week or
>>>>>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had two of Cearbhall's geonames export files to import, both with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around 50000 entries in them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, along the lines of thinking about memory issues etc., I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in fact backed up my whole memory card on my 6680 (was a 64Mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card), and moved everything over to a 1Gb card that I had laying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around that I normally
>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for other things relating to PDAs etc., and then restarted the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone with that one in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, phone does seem to do one or two things slightly slower,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two menu items on my 6680 were in fact now in different orders.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, while I had in fact imported the first file in the period
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-4 hours from start to finish, this second import took around7-8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hours,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when it was done (and for interests sake, you can just press the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hang up button to revert to the phone's normal operations, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll carry on in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background), I then did an export to see how many entries it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually loaded, which, for some or other reason seems to now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically have
>>>>>>>>>>>> turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out at 44000 - although, this export took around 3 hours in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> background
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so maybe it was in fact missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either way, now when I start loadstone, it takes around 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems completely co-operative, but allows me to load points both
>>>>>>>>>>>> manually,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and automatically using the # key in navigation mode, and apart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works fine, if taking a bit longer to in fact complete searches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe just have to choose random entries in both import files to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try find out why some of them either aren't being loaded, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exported or
>>>>>>>>>>>> something,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but don't think it's really a major hassle as such as long as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still load my own points.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, FWIW, on the MMC which the phone seems to think is around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 997Mb, I still have around 872Mb available, and the default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database seems to be around 2.76Mb, while the latest export file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is 2.75Mb, but not sure if it indeed took all the points I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to import, or whether it'smissing something since both of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imported files were around 3.1Mb when I
>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them - who knows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, all seems to actually be working fine now, and will try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one or
>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more things and see how it all goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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