[Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.

Przemysław Rogalski Rogalski at o2.pl
Thu May 8 11:45:39 BST 2008


Can't you use Phone Browser of Nokia PC Suite?
----- Wiadomość oryginalna ----- 
Od: "Ari Moisio" <arimo at iki.fi>
Do: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
Wysłano: 8 maja 2008 09:08
Temat: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.


> Hi
> 
>   There are also points that have occasionally to be exported or imported. 
> Exporting pointts with bt or or email  is quite feasible with the send 
> option but importing them with all the hassle with  inboxes, mail folders 
> and file managers is a pain in the ...
> 
> 
> 
> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
> -- 
> mr. M01510
> 
> 
> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
> 
>> That'll only get you the sis file on the memory card, you still have to
>> install it to the phone. Under linux you can just as easley (probably
>> easier) do a bluetooth push. Having all loadstone's files in phone memory
>> will make things run faster no matter what the case is. Either memory cards
>> are slower than the type of internal memory the phone uses or the way the
>> phone accesses the card is slower than it should be. I think this may be the
>> case, a card in a card reader connected to a pc is much faster than when
>> it's in the phone.
>>
>> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Ari Moisio wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>  In micro$oft-free environment it is easier to install data files in the
>>> memory card. They could be accessed using the phone's  usb mass storage
>>> features.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
>>> --
>>> mr. M01510
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Shawn Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>>
>>>> In every case it's better to install to the phone's memory.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008, Przemys?aw Rogalski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In case of Nokia N82, where it is better to install Loadstone? Into phone
>>>>> memory or Micro SD card?
>>>>> ----- Wiadomo?? oryginalna -----
>>>>> Od: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" <shawn at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>> Do: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>> Wys?ano: 8 maja 2008 01:58
>>>>> Temat: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There'll be a status message displayed every minute or so in the next
>>>>>> version. Maybe I'll add a sound to be played when an import or export
>>>>>> completes. It probably did say export complete but you're not likely to be
>>>>>> paying attention to the phone for 2.5 hours so it would be easy to miss.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> memory card is much slower than phone memory, I was able to export a 37000
>>>>>> point file on my n70 in around 20 minutes but it was installed to the
>>>>>> phone's memory. This will of course depend on your phone's processor speed
>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The export has completed and all seems to be well. The input file is
>>>>>>> 49,998
>>>>>>> entries and the exported version has lost two entries which is probably
>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>> to duplication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I took a chance and left the phone untouched for 2.5 hours. There was no
>>>>>>> speech feedback that the export had completed. My sighted son confirmed
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the screen said "Export complete". Is there any way to get some feedback
>>>>>>> from this action? It looks, now, as if  I interrupted the export process
>>>>>>> earlier today on the two occasions when I extracted the exported file. If
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> had loaded the 99,999 entries I should, presumably, have let the process
>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>> for some five hours uninterrupted. I would welcome any comments from our
>>>>>>> experts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O
>>>>>>> Meadhra
>>>>>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 12:28
>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Shawn,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will try to get sighted assistance to see if there is still activity.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> are right that I am using .69 version so I will move up before trying
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>> The phone did not lock up so that is the confusing thing as a lock-up
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> have indicated that the backup was still proceeding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 11:33
>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try using the latest version, there's very little point trying to debug
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> old version. The system will say export complete, wait until that
>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>> This will probably take quite a while if you're using a memory card,
>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>> much slower than phone memory. While the export is happening the program
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> appear to be locked up. It's still running but using all resources for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> database processing. The backlight on the screen will turn on every so
>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>> and that'll indicate it's still running. That might not help if you can't
>>>>>>> see it thoe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am using v0.69.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you find any way of noting progress with the export? You reported
>>>>>>>> yesterday that you had managed to export only 4,000 entries. I managed
>>>>>>>> 6,000 this morning and then when I tried again I managed 22,000! I
>>>>>>>> left the second one run longer before looking for the file. The system
>>>>>>>> did not tell me that it had finished so I am not sure if I have been
>>>>>>>> interrupting the export process each time. What do you think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 09:49
>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What version of LoadStone are you now using for this import?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll probably also retry it using 0.70 a bit later, but will first
>>>>>>>> back up my memory card contents again, and will then compare the two.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>>>>>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:09 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am loading the two files into my own phone and will let you know
>>>>>>>>> how the export goes when they are in position.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>>>>>> Kruger
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 21:36
>>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Along the lines of this, will maybe try re-importing them into the
>>>>>>>>> new 0.70 version once I have got around to trying it out, but will
>>>>>>>>> let you know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>>>>>>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:11 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tanks Shawn,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then the 99,996 entreies in the South african file are all unique
>>>>>>>>>> because they have each been given a unique time-based id string.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We will have to see if we can find out why jacob can only export a
>>>>>>>>>> quarter of the entries which he loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>>>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 13:17
>>>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A duplicate entry is one with the same id and userid. All other
>>>>>>>>>> fields can be changed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I got interested in this discussion and had a go on my two mobiles.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I found that the N70 would only put loadstone into the background
>>>>>>>>>>> if I press the menu key and the 2 key. The hang-up key exited
>>>>>>>>>>> Loadstone and did not put it into the background.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The N6680 was different. On this phone the hang-up key does put the
>>>>>>>>>>> loadstone program into the background and so also does the menu key
>>>>>>>>>>> followed by the 2 key.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn, what constitutes a duplicate entry in loadstone? For
>>>>>>>>>>> instance, some of the South African entries have the same longitude
>>>>>>>>>>> and latitude but the names are different. Is this a duplicate? Do
>>>>>>>>>>> all three fields have to be the same?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  _____
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 03:38
>>>>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Shawn and list!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting stuff. I just duplicated it here on my Nokia 6630
>>>>>>>>>>> running Loadstone version .69. Got Loadstone going. Pressed end. It
>>>>>>>>>>> took me back to main screen. Pressed long menu and Loadstone was
>>>>>>>>>>> still running so was able to bring it back.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Shawn  <mailto:shawn at loadstone-gps.com> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is not the way most applications are sent to the background.
>>>>>>>>>>> Can anybody name a case where this happens? The end key sends the
>>>>>>>>>>> signal that according to the documentation the application is
>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to exit as soon as possible. Maybe the end key will
>>>>>>>>>>> background on some phones but not on any
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've seen. You can tell if an application has gone in to the
>>>>>>>>>>> background if you hit long menu, that'll give the currently running
>>>>>>>>>> applications list.
>>>>>>>>>>> There's only one situation that may appear to do this, the contacts
>>>>>>>>>>> application. When you make a call from there it keeps running in
>>>>>>>>>>> the background after the call completes. I think this is because
>>>>>>>>>>> when making a call the contacts application actually just switches
>>>>>>>>>>> to the always running phone application.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jim Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering why you don't let it run in the background when the
>>>>>>>>>>>> end or handup button is pressed as this is the way most
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications are sent to the background?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>>>>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Loadstone mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One minor correction to your post, pressing the hang up or end
>>>>>>>>>>>> button will not cause loadstone to run in the background. That is
>>>>>>>>>>>> the end button and that means end now without asking questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe on some phones this button will cause the running program to
>>>>>>>>>>>> drop to the background but not on any phones I've seen. This could
>>>>>>>>>>>> explain why your files are different. I'd also guess that maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>> your files had some duplicates that would explain
>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>>> they're not exactly the same size when exported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jacob Kruger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Along the lines of what we've being looking into over the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>> week or
>>>>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had two of Cearbhall's geonames export files to import, both with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around 50000 entries in them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, along the lines of thinking about memory issues etc., I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in fact backed up my whole memory card on my 6680 (was a 64Mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>> card), and moved everything over to a 1Gb card that I had laying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around that I normally
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for other things relating to PDAs etc., and then restarted the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone with that one in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, phone does seem to do one or two things slightly slower,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and one
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> two menu items on my 6680 were in fact now in different orders.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, while I had in fact imported the first file in the period
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-4 hours from start to finish, this second import took around7-8
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hours,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when it was done (and for interests sake, you can just press the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hang up button to revert to the phone's normal operations, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll carry on in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> background), I then did an export to see how many entries it had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually loaded, which, for some or other reason seems to now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically have
>>>>>>>>>>> turned
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out at 44000 - although, this export took around 3 hours in the
>>>>>>>>>>> background
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so maybe it was in fact missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either way, now when I start loadstone, it takes around 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds before
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems completely co-operative, but allows me to load points both
>>>>>>>>>>> manually,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and automatically using the # key in navigation mode, and apart
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works fine, if taking a bit longer to in fact complete searches
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe just have to choose random entries in both import files to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try find out why some of them either aren't being loaded, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exported or
>>>>>>>>>>> something,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but don't think it's really a major hassle as such as long as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can in
>>>>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still load my own points.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, FWIW, on the MMC which the phone seems to think is around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 997Mb, I still have around 872Mb available, and the default
>>>>>>>>>>>>> database seems to be around 2.76Mb, while the latest export file
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is 2.75Mb, but not sure if it indeed took all the points I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to import, or whether it'smissing something since both of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> imported files were around 3.1Mb when I
>>>>>>>>>>> loaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them - who knows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, all seems to actually be working fine now, and will try
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one or
>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more things and see how it all goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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