[Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.

Shawn Kirkpatrick shawn at loadstone-gps.com
Thu May 8 01:34:03 BST 2008


In every case it's better to install to the phone's memory.

On Thu, 8 May 2008, Przemysław Rogalski wrote:

> In case of Nokia N82, where it is better to install Loadstone? Into phone memory or Micro SD card?
> ----- Wiadomość oryginalna -----
> Od: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" <shawn at loadstone-gps.com>
> Do: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
> Wysłano: 8 maja 2008 01:58
> Temat: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>
>
>> There'll be a status message displayed every minute or so in the next
>> version. Maybe I'll add a sound to be played when an import or export
>> completes. It probably did say export complete but you're not likely to be
>> paying attention to the phone for 2.5 hours so it would be easy to miss. The
>> memory card is much slower than phone memory, I was able to export a 37000
>> point file on my n70 in around 20 minutes but it was installed to the
>> phone's memory. This will of course depend on your phone's processor speed
>> as well.
>>
>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>
>>> The export has completed and all seems to be well. The input file is 49,998
>>> entries and the exported version has lost two entries which is probably due
>>> to duplication.
>>>
>>> I took a chance and left the phone untouched for 2.5 hours. There was no
>>> speech feedback that the export had completed. My sighted son confirmed that
>>> the screen said "Export complete". Is there any way to get some feedback
>>> from this action? It looks, now, as if  I interrupted the export process
>>> earlier today on the two occasions when I extracted the exported file. If I
>>> had loaded the 99,999 entries I should, presumably, have let the process run
>>> for some five hours uninterrupted. I would welcome any comments from our
>>> experts.
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Cearbhall
>>>
>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>
>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O
>>> Meadhra
>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 12:28
>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Shawn,
>>>
>>>
>>> I will try to get sighted assistance to see if there is still activity. You
>>> are right that I am using .69 version so I will move up before trying again.
>>> The phone did not lock up so that is the confusing thing as a lock-up would
>>> have indicated that the backup was still proceeding.
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Cearbhall
>>>
>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>
>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Kirkpatrick
>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 11:33
>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>
>>> Try using the latest version, there's very little point trying to debug an
>>> old version. The system will say export complete, wait until that happens.
>>> This will probably take quite a while if you're using a memory card, that's
>>> much slower than phone memory. While the export is happening the program may
>>> appear to be locked up. It's still running but using all resources for the
>>> database processing. The backlight on the screen will turn on every so often
>>> and that'll indicate it's still running. That might not help if you can't
>>> see it thoe.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am using v0.69.
>>>>
>>>> Did you find any way of noting progress with the export? You reported
>>>> yesterday that you had managed to export only 4,000 entries. I managed
>>>> 6,000 this morning and then when I tried again I managed 22,000! I
>>>> left the second one run longer before looking for the file. The system
>>>> did not tell me that it had finished so I am not sure if I have been
>>>> interrupting the export process each time. What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>
>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 09:49
>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>
>>>> What version of LoadStone are you now using for this import?
>>>>
>>>> I'll probably also retry it using 0.70 a bit later, but will first
>>>> back up my memory card contents again, and will then compare the two.
>>>>
>>>> Stay well
>>>>
>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>> Blind Biker
>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> OK,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am loading the two files into my own phone and will let you know
>>>>> how the export goes when they are in position.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>
>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>> Kruger
>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 21:36
>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Along the lines of this, will maybe try re-importing them into the
>>>>> new 0.70 version once I have got around to trying it out, but will
>>>>> let you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tanks Shawn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then the 99,996 entreies in the South african file are all unique
>>>>>> because they have each been given a unique time-based id string.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will have to see if we can find out why jacob can only export a
>>>>>> quarter of the entries which he loaded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 13:17
>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A duplicate entry is one with the same id and userid. All other
>>>>>> fields can be changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got interested in this discussion and had a go on my two mobiles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found that the N70 would only put loadstone into the background
>>>>>>> if I press the menu key and the 2 key. The hang-up key exited
>>>>>>> Loadstone and did not put it into the background.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The N6680 was different. On this phone the hang-up key does put the
>>>>>>> loadstone program into the background and so also does the menu key
>>>>>>> followed by the 2 key.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shawn, what constitutes a duplicate entry in loadstone? For
>>>>>>> instance, some of the South African entries have the same longitude
>>>>>>> and latitude but the names are different. Is this a duplicate? Do
>>>>>>> all three fields have to be the same?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  _____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 03:38
>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Shawn and list!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting stuff. I just duplicated it here on my Nokia 6630
>>>>>>> running Loadstone version .69. Got Loadstone going. Pressed end. It
>>>>>>> took me back to main screen. Pressed long menu and Loadstone was
>>>>>>> still running so was able to bring it back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Shawn  <mailto:shawn at loadstone-gps.com> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:27 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not the way most applications are sent to the background.
>>>>>>> Can anybody name a case where this happens? The end key sends the
>>>>>>> signal that according to the documentation the application is
>>>>>>> supposed to exit as soon as possible. Maybe the end key will
>>>>>>> background on some phones but not on any
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've seen. You can tell if an application has gone in to the
>>>>>>> background if you hit long menu, that'll give the currently running
>>>>>> applications list.
>>>>>>> There's only one situation that may appear to do this, the contacts
>>>>>>> application. When you make a call from there it keeps running in
>>>>>>> the background after the call completes. I think this is because
>>>>>>> when making a call the contacts application actually just switches
>>>>>>> to the always running phone application.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jim Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm wondering why you don't let it run in the background when the
>>>>>>>> end or handup button is pressed as this is the way most
>>>>>>>> applications are sent to the background?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Loadstone mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One minor correction to your post, pressing the hang up or end
>>>>>>>> button will not cause loadstone to run in the background. That is
>>>>>>>> the end button and that means end now without asking questions.
>>>>>>>> Maybe on some phones this button will cause the running program to
>>>>>>>> drop to the background but not on any phones I've seen. This could
>>>>>>>> explain why your files are different. I'd also guess that maybe
>>>>>>>> your files had some duplicates that would explain
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>> they're not exactly the same size when exported.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jacob Kruger wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Along the lines of what we've being looking into over the last
>>>>>>>>> week or
>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> had two of Cearbhall's geonames export files to import, both with
>>>>>>>>> around 50000 entries in them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, along the lines of thinking about memory issues etc., I
>>>>>>>>> in fact backed up my whole memory card on my 6680 (was a 64Mb
>>>>>>>>> card), and moved everything over to a 1Gb card that I had laying
>>>>>>>>> around that I normally
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> for other things relating to PDAs etc., and then restarted the
>>>>>>>>> phone with that one in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, phone does seem to do one or two things slightly slower,
>>>>>>>>> and one
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> two menu items on my 6680 were in fact now in different orders.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, while I had in fact imported the first file in the period
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>> 3-4 hours from start to finish, this second import took around7-8
>>>>>>>>> hours,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> when it was done (and for interests sake, you can just press the
>>>>>>>>> hang up button to revert to the phone's normal operations, and
>>>>>>>>> it'll carry on in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> background), I then did an export to see how many entries it had
>>>>>>>>> actually loaded, which, for some or other reason seems to now
>>>>>>>>> basically have
>>>>>>> turned
>>>>>>>>> out at 44000 - although, this export took around 3 hours in the
>>>>>>> background
>>>>>>>>> so maybe it was in fact missing something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Either way, now when I start loadstone, it takes around 15
>>>>>>>>> seconds before
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> seems completely co-operative, but allows me to load points both
>>>>>>> manually,
>>>>>>>>> and automatically using the # key in navigation mode, and apart
>>>>>>>>> from that
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> works fine, if taking a bit longer to in fact complete searches now.
>>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>>>> maybe just have to choose random entries in both import files to
>>>>>>>>> try find out why some of them either aren't being loaded, or
>>>>>>>>> exported or
>>>>>>> something,
>>>>>>>>> but don't think it's really a major hassle as such as long as I
>>>>>>>>> can in
>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>> still load my own points.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, FWIW, on the MMC which the phone seems to think is around
>>>>>>>>> 997Mb, I still have around 872Mb available, and the default
>>>>>>>>> database seems to be around 2.76Mb, while the latest export file
>>>>>>>>> is 2.75Mb, but not sure if it indeed took all the points I tried
>>>>>>>>> to import, or whether it'smissing something since both of the
>>>>>>>>> imported files were around 3.1Mb when I
>>>>>>> loaded
>>>>>>>>> them - who knows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, all seems to actually be working fine now, and will try
>>>>>>>>> one or
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>> more things and see how it all goes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>>
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