[Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.

Przemysław Rogalski Rogalski at o2.pl
Thu May 8 01:26:00 BST 2008


In case of Nokia N82, where it is better to install Loadstone? Into phone memory or Micro SD card?
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Od: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" <shawn at loadstone-gps.com>
Do: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
Wysłano: 8 maja 2008 01:58
Temat: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.


> There'll be a status message displayed every minute or so in the next 
> version. Maybe I'll add a sound to be played when an import or export 
> completes. It probably did say export complete but you're not likely to be 
> paying attention to the phone for 2.5 hours so it would be easy to miss. The 
> memory card is much slower than phone memory, I was able to export a 37000 
> point file on my n70 in around 20 minutes but it was installed to the 
> phone's memory. This will of course depend on your phone's processor speed 
> as well.
> 
> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
> 
>> The export has completed and all seems to be well. The input file is 49,998
>> entries and the exported version has lost two entries which is probably due
>> to duplication.
>>
>> I took a chance and left the phone untouched for 2.5 hours. There was no
>> speech feedback that the export had completed. My sighted son confirmed that
>> the screen said "Export complete". Is there any way to get some feedback
>> from this action? It looks, now, as if  I interrupted the export process
>> earlier today on the two occasions when I extracted the exported file. If I
>> had loaded the 99,999 entries I should, presumably, have let the process run
>> for some five hours uninterrupted. I would welcome any comments from our
>> experts.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>
>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O
>> Meadhra
>> Sent: 07 May 2008 12:28
>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>
>> Thanks, Shawn,
>>
>>
>> I will try to get sighted assistance to see if there is still activity. You
>> are right that I am using .69 version so I will move up before trying again.
>> The phone did not lock up so that is the confusing thing as a lock-up would
>> have indicated that the backup was still proceeding.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>
>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Kirkpatrick
>> Sent: 07 May 2008 11:33
>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>
>> Try using the latest version, there's very little point trying to debug an
>> old version. The system will say export complete, wait until that happens.
>> This will probably take quite a while if you're using a memory card, that's
>> much slower than phone memory. While the export is happening the program may
>> appear to be locked up. It's still running but using all resources for the
>> database processing. The backlight on the screen will turn on every so often
>> and that'll indicate it's still running. That might not help if you can't
>> see it thoe.
>>
>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>
>>> I am using v0.69.
>>>
>>> Did you find any way of noting progress with the export? You reported
>>> yesterday that you had managed to export only 4,000 entries. I managed
>>> 6,000 this morning and then when I tried again I managed 22,000! I
>>> left the second one run longer before looking for the file. The system
>>> did not tell me that it had finished so I am not sure if I have been
>>> interrupting the export process each time. What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Cearbhall
>>>
>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>
>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>> Sent: 07 May 2008 09:49
>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>
>>> What version of LoadStone are you now using for this import?
>>>
>>> I'll probably also retry it using 0.70 a bit later, but will first
>>> back up my memory card contents again, and will then compare the two.
>>>
>>> Stay well
>>>
>>> Jacob Kruger
>>> Blind Biker
>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>> OK,
>>>>
>>>> I am loading the two files into my own phone and will let you know
>>>> how the export goes when they are in position.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>
>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>> Kruger
>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 21:36
>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>
>>>> Along the lines of this, will maybe try re-importing them into the
>>>> new 0.70 version once I have got around to trying it out, but will
>>>> let you know.
>>>>
>>>> Stay well
>>>>
>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>> Blind Biker
>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tanks Shawn,
>>>>>
>>>>> then the 99,996 entreies in the South african file are all unique
>>>>> because they have each been given a unique time-based id string.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will have to see if we can find out why jacob can only export a
>>>>> quarter of the entries which he loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>
>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 13:17
>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> A duplicate entry is one with the same id and userid. All other
>>>>> fields can be changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got interested in this discussion and had a go on my two mobiles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found that the N70 would only put loadstone into the background
>>>>>> if I press the menu key and the 2 key. The hang-up key exited
>>>>>> Loadstone and did not put it into the background.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The N6680 was different. On this phone the hang-up key does put the
>>>>>> loadstone program into the background and so also does the menu key
>>>>>> followed by the 2 key.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shawn, what constitutes a duplicate entry in loadstone? For
>>>>>> instance, some of the South African entries have the same longitude
>>>>>> and latitude but the names are different. Is this a duplicate? Do
>>>>>> all three fields have to be the same?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  _____
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 03:38
>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Shawn and list!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting stuff. I just duplicated it here on my Nokia 6630
>>>>>> running Loadstone version .69. Got Loadstone going. Pressed end. It
>>>>>> took me back to main screen. Pressed long menu and Loadstone was
>>>>>> still running so was able to bring it back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Shawn  <mailto:shawn at loadstone-gps.com> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:27 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not the way most applications are sent to the background.
>>>>>> Can anybody name a case where this happens? The end key sends the
>>>>>> signal that according to the documentation the application is
>>>>>> supposed to exit as soon as possible. Maybe the end key will
>>>>>> background on some phones but not on any
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've seen. You can tell if an application has gone in to the
>>>>>> background if you hit long menu, that'll give the currently running
>>>>> applications list.
>>>>>> There's only one situation that may appear to do this, the contacts
>>>>>> application. When you make a call from there it keeps running in
>>>>>> the background after the call completes. I think this is because
>>>>>> when making a call the contacts application actually just switches
>>>>>> to the always running phone application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jim Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm wondering why you don't let it run in the background when the
>>>>>>> end or handup button is pressed as this is the way most
>>>>>>> applications are sent to the background?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 PM
>>>>>>> To: Loadstone mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One minor correction to your post, pressing the hang up or end
>>>>>>> button will not cause loadstone to run in the background. That is
>>>>>>> the end button and that means end now without asking questions.
>>>>>>> Maybe on some phones this button will cause the running program to
>>>>>>> drop to the background but not on any phones I've seen. This could
>>>>>>> explain why your files are different. I'd also guess that maybe
>>>>>>> your files had some duplicates that would explain
>>>>>> why
>>>>>>> they're not exactly the same size when exported.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jacob Kruger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Along the lines of what we've being looking into over the last
>>>>>>>> week or
>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> had two of Cearbhall's geonames export files to import, both with
>>>>>>>> around 50000 entries in them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, along the lines of thinking about memory issues etc., I
>>>>>>>> in fact backed up my whole memory card on my 6680 (was a 64Mb
>>>>>>>> card), and moved everything over to a 1Gb card that I had laying
>>>>>>>> around that I normally
>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> for other things relating to PDAs etc., and then restarted the
>>>>>>>> phone with that one in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, phone does seem to do one or two things slightly slower,
>>>>>>>> and one
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> two menu items on my 6680 were in fact now in different orders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, while I had in fact imported the first file in the period
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>> 3-4 hours from start to finish, this second import took around7-8
>>>>>>>> hours,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> when it was done (and for interests sake, you can just press the
>>>>>>>> hang up button to revert to the phone's normal operations, and
>>>>>>>> it'll carry on in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> background), I then did an export to see how many entries it had
>>>>>>>> actually loaded, which, for some or other reason seems to now
>>>>>>>> basically have
>>>>>> turned
>>>>>>>> out at 44000 - although, this export took around 3 hours in the
>>>>>> background
>>>>>>>> so maybe it was in fact missing something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Either way, now when I start loadstone, it takes around 15
>>>>>>>> seconds before
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> seems completely co-operative, but allows me to load points both
>>>>>> manually,
>>>>>>>> and automatically using the # key in navigation mode, and apart
>>>>>>>> from that
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> works fine, if taking a bit longer to in fact complete searches now.
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>>> maybe just have to choose random entries in both import files to
>>>>>>>> try find out why some of them either aren't being loaded, or
>>>>>>>> exported or
>>>>>> something,
>>>>>>>> but don't think it's really a major hassle as such as long as I
>>>>>>>> can in
>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>> still load my own points.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, FWIW, on the MMC which the phone seems to think is around
>>>>>>>> 997Mb, I still have around 872Mb available, and the default
>>>>>>>> database seems to be around 2.76Mb, while the latest export file
>>>>>>>> is 2.75Mb, but not sure if it indeed took all the points I tried
>>>>>>>> to import, or whether it'smissing something since both of the
>>>>>>>> imported files were around 3.1Mb when I
>>>>>> loaded
>>>>>>>> them - who knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, all seems to actually be working fine now, and will try
>>>>>>>> one or
>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>> more things and see how it all goes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>
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