[Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.

Shawn Kirkpatrick shawn at loadstone-gps.com
Wed May 7 09:20:58 BST 2008


The phone tries to display an indicator but it's working too hard to 
actually speak anything. You should have enought space so I don't know what 
would be wrong. Try it again and see what happens. Make sure you have the 
correct database loaded as well.

On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> Thanks for the prompt response.
>
> Should there be any status report telling the percentage exported like the
> import process does? How can I check without interrupting the export?
>
>
> Here is the space which I have available:
> Used space: 38,846,464 bytes 37.0 MB
> Free space: 987,430,912 bytes 941 MB
> Capacity: 1,026,277,376 bytes 978 MB
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Cearbhall
>
> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>
> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Kirkpatrick
> Sent: 07 May 2008 08:50
> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>
> I'd give it another try. Make sure you have enough disk space and you use
> the export all option. See if it errors for some reason.
>
> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>
>> Shawn or Monty,
>>
>> I successfully uploaded the 49,995 points contained in the first half
>> of the South African points file from Geonames. I deleted the default
>> database before importing so that only the SA data is loaded.
>> loadstone reported 100% success in importing the 49,995 entries with
>> no duplicates and zero entries updated, etc. The default file is now
>> 3.3 mb in size which looks about what I would expect.
>>
>> I then exported "all data" and have full power available as I am
>> running on the charger. The export completed very quickly without
>> announcing any result. An export file of 416 kb in size was generated
>> containing only 6,219 entries!
>>
>> As there is no way that there are over 43,000 duplicate records in the
>> input file! Can you help me to understand what is happening? Is there
>> a limit on the number of entries that can be exported from the loadstone
> default file?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>
>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O
>> Meadhra
>> Sent: 07 May 2008 03:09
>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>
>> OK,
>>
>> I am loading the two files into my own phone and will let you know how
>> the export goes when they are in position.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>
>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>> Sent: 06 May 2008 21:36
>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>
>> Along the lines of this, will maybe try re-importing them into the new
>> 0.70 version once I have got around to trying it out, but will let you
> know.
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>
>>
>>> Tanks Shawn,
>>>
>>> then the 99,996 entreies in the South african file are all unique
>>> because they have each been given a unique time-based id string.
>>>
>>> We will have to see if we can find out why jacob can only export a
>>> quarter of the entries which he loaded.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Cearbhall
>>>
>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>
>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>> Kirkpatrick
>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 13:17
>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>
>>> A duplicate entry is one with the same id and userid. All other
>>> fields can be changed.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I got interested in this discussion and had a go on my two mobiles.
>>>>
>>>> I found that the N70 would only put loadstone into the background
>>>> if I press the menu key and the 2 key. The hang-up key exited
>>>> Loadstone and did not put it into the background.
>>>>
>>>> The N6680 was different. On this phone the hang-up key does put the
>>>> loadstone program into the background and so also does the menu key
>>>> followed by the 2 key.
>>>>
>>>> Shawn, what constitutes a duplicate entry in loadstone? For
>>>> instance, some of the South African entries have the same longitude
>>>> and latitude but the names are different. Is this a duplicate? Do
>>>> all three fields have to be the same?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>
>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  _____
>>>>
>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of David
>>>> Allen
>>>> Sent: 06 May 2008 03:38
>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Shawn and list!
>>>>
>>>> Interesting stuff. I just duplicated it here on my Nokia 6630
>>>> running Loadstone version .69. Got Loadstone going. Pressed end. It
>>>> took me back to main screen. Pressed long menu and Loadstone was
>>>> still running so was able to bring it back.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Shawn  <mailto:shawn at loadstone-gps.com> Kirkpatrick
>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>
>>>> This is not the way most applications are sent to the background.
>>>> Can anybody name a case where this happens? The end key sends the
>>>> signal that according to the documentation the application is
>>>> supposed to exit as soon as possible. Maybe the end key will
>>>> background on some phones but not on any
>>>>
>>>> I've seen. You can tell if an application has gone in to the
>>>> background if you hit long menu, that'll give the currently running
>>> applications list.
>>>> There's only one situation that may appear to do this, the contacts
>>>> application. When you make a call from there it keeps running in the
>>>> background after the call completes. I think this is because when
>>>> making a call the contacts application actually just switches to the
>>>> always running phone application.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jim Ruby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering why you don't let it run in the background when the
>>>>> end or handup button is pressed as this is the way most
>>>>> applications are sent to the background?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Shawn
>>>> Kirkpatrick
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 PM
>>>>> To: Loadstone mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Further info regarding progress etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> One minor correction to your post, pressing the hang up or end
>>>>> button will not cause loadstone to run in the background. That is
>>>>> the end button and that means end now without asking questions.
>>>>> Maybe on some phones this button will cause the running program to
>>>>> drop to the background but not on any phones I've seen. This could
>>>>> explain why your files are different. I'd also guess that maybe
>>>>> your files had some duplicates that would explain
>>>> why
>>>>> they're not exactly the same size when exported.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, Jacob Kruger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Along the lines of what we've being looking into over the last
>>>>>> week or
>>>> so,
>>>>> I
>>>>>> had two of Cearbhall's geonames export files to import, both with
>>>>>> around 50000 entries in them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, along the lines of thinking about memory issues etc., I in
>>>>>> fact backed up my whole memory card on my 6680 (was a 64Mb card),
>>>>>> and moved everything over to a 1Gb card that I had laying around
>>>>>> that I normally
>>>> use
>>>>>> for other things relating to PDAs etc., and then restarted the
>>>>>> phone with that one in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, phone does seem to do one or two things slightly slower,
>>>>>> and one
>>>>> or
>>>>>> two menu items on my 6680 were in fact now in different orders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, while I had in fact imported the first file in the period
>>>>>> of
>>>>> around
>>>>>> 3-4 hours from start to finish, this second import took around7-8
>>>>>> hours,
>>>>> but
>>>>>> when it was done (and for interests sake, you can just press the
>>>>>> hang up button to revert to the phone's normal operations, and
>>>>>> it'll carry on in
>>>>> the
>>>>>> background), I then did an export to see how many entries it had
>>>>>> actually loaded, which, for some or other reason seems to now
>>>>>> basically have
>>>> turned
>>>>>> out at 44000 - although, this export took around 3 hours in the
>>>> background
>>>>>> so maybe it was in fact missing something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either way, now when I start loadstone, it takes around 15 seconds
>>>>>> before
>>>>> it
>>>>>> seems completely co-operative, but allows me to load points both
>>>> manually,
>>>>>> and automatically using the # key in navigation mode, and apart
>>>>>> from that
>>>>> it
>>>>>> works fine, if taking a bit longer to in fact complete searches now.
>>>> Will
>>>>>> maybe just have to choose random entries in both import files to
>>>>>> try find out why some of them either aren't being loaded, or
>>>>>> exported or
>>>> something,
>>>>>> but don't think it's really a major hassle as such as long as I
>>>>>> can in
>>>>> fact
>>>>>> still load my own points.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, FWIW, on the MMC which the phone seems to think is around
>>>>>> 997Mb, I still have around 872Mb available, and the default
>>>>>> database seems to be around 2.76Mb, while the latest export file
>>>>>> is 2.75Mb, but not sure if it indeed took all the points I tried
>>>>>> to import, or whether it'smissing something since both of the
>>>>>> imported files were around 3.1Mb when I
>>>> loaded
>>>>>> them - who knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, all seems to actually be working fine now, and will try
>>>>>> one or
>>>> two
>>>>>> more things and see how it all goes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>
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