[Loadstone] points share exchange

Williams Family brian.williams300 at ntlworld.com
Wed Apr 30 19:45:33 BST 2008


Hi
have tried to log onto the points share exchange but get the "website not 
available" notice. Is there a problem?
Brian W.
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>   1. Re:  Exported data (Cearbhall O Meadhra)
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> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:07:17 +0100
> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
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> Jacob,
>
> Why not try now? I am at my desk and ready and willing to open a 
> discussion.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Cearbhall
>
> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>
> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
> Sent: 30 April 2008 08:30
> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
>
> Only problem was that I only read this this morning - sorry.
>
> Will try remember to keep my skype online, and we'll see from there.
>
> FWIW, I'm here in South Africa, and we're in the GMT+2 timezone.
>
> Stay well
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
>
>
>> Jacob,
>>
>> I think we should try spending some time together on this. Would you care
>> to
>> join me in a Skype chat right away?
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>
>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>> Sent: 29 April 2008 22:48
>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
>>
>> I don't get any crashes when adding points, and both of my phones seem to
>> act the same in terms of trying to manually add new points.
>>
>> Also, if I consistently got no result as such then, fair enough, I would
>> assume it was specifically a mistake I was making, but since it does in
>> fact
>> work some of the time while I make sure I try perform the same actions,
>> using the same data, I really don't have a clue what's actually causing
>> it,
>> since the only things I can think of that are in fact changing are things
>> like time of day, cell info, phone connection levels, GPS status etc.
>> etc.,
>> and none of those really make sense with regard to interfering with 
>> manual
>> point entry, so who knows...
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" <shawn at loadstone-gps.com>
>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
>>
>>
>>>I doubt there'll be that kind of logging system any time soon. This would
>>> add quite a bit of code overhead. There really aren't that many steps to
>>> adding a point thoe. If it got an error writing to the database you'd
>>> just
>>> get a crash. The only time a point won't write anything is if all the
>>> information you enter is the same as an existing point. If the
>>> coordinates
>>> are the same but other information is different then it'll do an update
>>> of
>>> the existing entry. I assume this isn't the case.
>>> Since this is only happening to one person I'm thinking it's some 
>>> strange
>>> combination of software/hardware/firmware that's interacting in a 
>>> strange
>>> way rather than a loadstone bug. Either that or a wrong key being 
>>> pressed
>>> at
>>> the time of point entry but there's nothing in the softkey 1 menu 
>>> that'll
>>> cause an abort, the only key that should do that is softkey 2 for 
>>> cancel.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Cearbhall O Meadhra wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jacob,
>>>>
>>>> I think it is worth solving this problem so that we can all learn from
>>>> it
>>>> and maybe spare someone else the headache!
>>>>
>>>> Since there is no logging system in the program (Could that be added 
>>>> in,
>>>> Monty?) Would it be possible for you to manually track the sequence of
>>>> activities before you make the entry that works and also the sequence 
>>>> of
>>>> activities before the entry that does not work? This would mean noting
>>>> all
>>>> the sequences for a few days just in case you can trap the one that
>>>> works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>
>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>>> Sent: 28 April 2008 13:10
>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
>>>>
>>>> Not quite since, when I tested it again this morning, it again allowed
>>>> me
>>
>>>> to
>>>> add one test entry (figures I just tested with), so it's almost like
>>>> it'll
>>>> let me do something every now and then, but not consistently in any way
>>>> (good or bad), and therefore, unfortunately not reliable as such since
>>>> I'm
>>>> never really sure when it's going to work, and when not.
>>>>
>>>> Just pretty sure that it's not specifically something I'm doing wrong
>>>> since
>>>> I definitely carry out the same procedures and have generally used the
>>>> same
>>>> info/data when it's working and when it's not, so who knows.
>>>>
>>>> Like I've said before, I wish there was some form of logging so that I
>>>> could
>>>> at least find a reason for it to sometimes work and sometimes not since
>>>> it's
>>>> literally the same data/input that sometimes works, and sometimes not -
>>>> who
>>>> knows...
>>>>
>>>> Stay well
>>>>
>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>> Blind Biker
>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:51 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jacob,
>>>>>
>>>>> So, memory seems to be fine and file space seems to be fine. From your
>>>>> description it seems as though you have a maximum limit of two 
>>>>> entries,
>>>>> would you agree? As if there were a control in Loadstone that limits
>>>>> you
>>>>> to
>>>>> two entries?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>
>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>>>> Sent: 28 April 2008 06:34
>>>>> To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've repeatedly checked memory available, and both phone memory and
>>>>> memory
>>>>> card each have over 2Mb free, and I've tried installing on both of 
>>>>> them
>>>>> FWIW.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, FWIW, in order to type in a minus sign, -, you simply press the
>>>>> asterisk (*) key twice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, just fiddling around this morning, I entered a random value
>>>>> (lat: -26.123456 and long: 28.123456) and it again saves it, but 
>>>>> that's
>>>>> it
>>>>> again if I try enter another point.
>>>>>
>>>>> My problem definitely isn't due to data entry issues or memory space -
>>>>> maybe
>>>>> I've got what we call a tokelosh (evil little gnome) fiddling while 
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> not
>>>>> 'looking' - LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie>
>>>>> To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I see that the cell data is only generated when you save a point
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> hoof - i.e. when the GPS system is sending the data into Loadstone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I have managed to generate a third entry, the problem you are
>>>>>> having
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not likely to be Loadstone
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next thing that comes to my mind is whether Loadstone has enough
>>>>>> memory.
>>>>>> Have you checked the available virtual memory already? The stored
>>>>>> memory
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> More likely to be the problem than the virtual memory. What available
>>>>>> memory
>>>>>> have you on either the hard drive or memory card? Again, if either 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> corrupted, you might not have enough space to write the file to 
>>>>>> either
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> hard drive or the memory card.  Could it be that the dataset cannot 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> added
>>>>>> to? Would Loadstone report an error if the memory storage was too 
>>>>>> full
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> take another entry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>>>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Jacob 
>>>>>> Kruger
>>>>>> Sent: 27 April 2008 21:12
>>>>>> To: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>>>>>> Cc: Loadstone mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Exported data
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just went into the options menu, file, export, export all data and it
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> from there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe this is actually a hint relating to what's causing the problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <president at idd.ie>
>>>>>> To: "'Jacob Kruger'" <jacobk at cknet.co.za>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Exported data
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have just realised, your dataset does not show any cell data. 
>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be a second table like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> table cell
>>>>>>> id mcc mnc locationareacode cellid userid name
>>>>>>> 1160083245 272 5 1100 196673864 39208 "home"
>>>>>>> 1160086322 272 5 1100 196673863 39208 ""
>>>>>>> 1160151974 272 5 1100 196673866 39208 ""
>>>>>>> 1160152461 272 5 1100 196673867 39208 ""
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What procedure did you follow for exporting the default dataset?
>>>>>>> Could
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> have chosen an option that isolated the satellite table from the 
>>>>>>> rest
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sheet?
>>>>>>> only?
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cearbhall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Good design enables - Bad design disables"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at colibri.ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Jacob Kruger [mailto:jacobk at cknet.co.za]
>>>>>>> Sent: 25 April 2008 13:20
>>>>>>> To: president at idd.ie
>>>>>>> Subject: Exported data
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here you go...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simply did an export and then sent it originally from phone using
>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stay well
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>> Blind Biker
>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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