[Loadstone] Routes and trips.

Cearbhall O Meadhra cearbhall.omeadhra at idd.ie
Tue Oct 9 11:44:49 BST 2007

Dear Sean et al,

I have been following this discussion with keen interest. I think some very
good ideas are appearing. 

Ronan and I have put together a method of handling POI names when they occur
on the same street. We simply add a percentage value to each point name as
it progresses logically by longitude or latitude. A typical result would be:
"main Street 0%", "main Street 10%", "main Street 20%", etc  up to "main
Street 100%",.

It is possible that this street is laid out in a circle and so this logical
sequence might not be the sequence one would meet while walking from one end
of the street to the other. In that case, I would recommend that the "%"
value be separated from the rest of the point name as a numeric field that
could be edited automatically as recommended in the suggestions below, to be
rearranged according to the sequence in which they occur to the pedestrian.
Of course this would mean that the system must know the increments of the
percentage values so that the correct ones are maintained but I think that
would be easy enough to manage.

The value of using the percentage as an incremental identifier is that it
allows a universal method that gives a sense of the location of the walker
in relation to the beginning and end of the street while giving a unique ID
to the point of interest.

Any comments?

All the best,
"Good design enables - Bad design disables"
Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra at projectidd.ie

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mielke
Sent: 09 October 2007 03:19
To: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Routes and trips.

[quoted lines by Shawn Kirkpatrick on 2007/10/08 at 17:01 -0700]

>They're a list stored in memory. This avoids having to do any lookups 
>using the database engine.

i believe this is a good thing for features such as these. Here are some

I see a tracked or recorded trip and a user-defined route as being the same
thing except for how the data is entered. In both cases one wants to end up
with an ordered list of checkpoints. That's what loadstone already has. To
make these features work, therefore, I think there are four features which
need to be added.

First: Regardless of how the data is entered, both features need the
currently loaded checkpoint list to be editable. This means that there needs
to be a way to bring up the list of checkpoints, and for each item to have
options like rename, move (up or down within the list), delete, "go to" (see
second feature) to select the next point, and "explore" (see fourth feature)
to find out what's near by. The "explore" function would probably be more
useful if it only considered unchecked points, i.e. points not on the route.

Second: Regardless of how the data is entered, there needs to be a way to
activate the currently loaded checkpoint list as a rrute. By default, the
next checkpoint to go to would be the first one in the list, although the
user could use the "go to" function (see first feature) to tell loadstone
where he actually is on the route. Loadstone would only monitor the next
checkpoint (the selected item) until the user gets there, at which time it'd
to an implicit "go to" to the next item in the list. It could even warn the
user if he's moving away from the point.

Third: Defining a route is probably as simple as adding a point to the end
of the currently loaded checkpoint list whenever it's checked. That's
probably already the way it's done. A useful enhancement, though, would be
the ability to check a point while it's being defined. Adding this to the
save point submenu would be convenient.

Fourth: For recording a trip it needs to be possible to both automatically
and manually add points. Automatic points clearly need to be added each time
the user changes direction, but should probably also be added at a regular
time interval even if the user doesn't change direction. The name for an
automatically added point should begin with the word "auto", and include the
time it was added as well as the direction in which the user was moving (the
new direction if a change). This information, in conjuction with the
option (see first feature) will help the user later when he goes through the
points to give them more meaningful names. A manually added point should
have a similar default name except that it should begin with "user" rather
than "auto", but should also allow the user to immediately assign a more
meaningful name.

That's my initial proposal in order to get some discussion going.

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