[Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT, but My preliminary impression of WayfinderAccess.

r.jansen r.jansen at wanadoo.nl
Thu Jun 7 15:29:56 BST 2007


Hi Mikolaj,

Yes:

G-Space GS-R238 chipset: SirfIII
QStarz BT Q818 chipset: MTK
Wintec WBT-201 chipset: Atmel / u-blox Antaris 4

Regards, Raymond

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Van: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
[mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] Namens Mikolaj Rotnicki
Verzonden: donderdag 7 juni 2007 15:41
Aan: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT,but My preliminary impression
of WayfinderAccess.

Could you list the GPS receivers you are testing now?

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Mikolaj Rotnicki
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From: "r.jansen" <r.jansen at wanadoo.nl>
To: <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT,but My preliminary impression
of WayfinderAccess.


> Hi Geoff and Arimo,
>
> Sorry for my previous posts. You are correct about the heading info on 
> the vicinity views. I just wrote the WayFinder Access people about this.
>
> Sorry guys!
>
> By the way, still testing with my three gps receivers.
>
> Raymond
>
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> Van: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] Namens Ari Moisio
> Verzonden: woensdag 6 juni 2007 13:57
> Aan: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
> Onderwerp: Re: [Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT, but My preliminary 
> impression of WayfinderAccess.
>
> Hi
>
>  Could you check your WF  Access version number. Version 1.0, 
> downloaded yesterday,  displays absolute directions.
>
>  Make also sure you select a reference point far enoug to test this. 
> If you walk over your favourite when testing you can get of courrse 
> just any possible direction.
>
>
>    And because this is a Loadstone mailing list: i suggested vicinity 
> view -like interface to Loadstone  some time ago. Now after playing 
> with WFA i finally noticed how much easier it is to find POIs and 
> favourites when they are listed by distance.
>
>
>
> You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
> --
> arimo
>
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, r.jansen wrote:
>
>> Hi Geoff,
>>
>> The heading info given on the Info tab is the compass direction your 
>> are moving to.
>> The heading info given on the vicinity views are related to your own 
>> direction.
>>
>> So if the info tab says that you are moving 270 degrees (West), and 
>> lets say that a entry on the vicinity view says: 20 feet, 90 degree, 
>> its to your right after 20 feet, and because you are walking West 
>> (270 degree), the vicinity info is North on the compass (270 + 90). 
>> But you don't have to switch between the info tab and the vicinity 
>> views because the compass direction of the Info tab is not that
important.
>>
>> But, this is a Loadstone list, so ... There will be a WFA list shortly.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Raymond
>>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] Namens Geoff Waaler
>> Verzonden: woensdag 6 juni 2007 11:27
>> Aan: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT,but My preliminary 
>> impression of WayfinderAccess.
>>
>> Hello Raymond,
>>
>> Please bare in mind that I was discussing WFA.  More over it was 
>> clarified later in the paragraph you quoted that heading info 
>> provided by WFA is *NOT* relative to one's direction of travel.
>>
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:17:00 +0200, r.jansen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Geoff,
>>>
>>> You said:
>>>
>>>> The other negative is that all values are given in degrees relative 
>>>> to the
>>> compass, rather than one's own direction of travel.
>>>
>>> I think this is incorrect. If it says 0 or 360 degrees its in front 
>>> of you and 180 degrees is behind.
>>>
>>> I will check this to be cirtain.
>>>
>>> Regards, Raymond
>>>
>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>> Van: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] Namens Geoff Waaler
>>> Verzonden: woensdag 6 juni 2007 10:41
>>> Aan: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>>> Onderwerp: [Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT,but My preliminary 
>>> impression of WayfinderAccess.
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> I posted the following to another list, but decided to cross post it
> here.
>>>
>>> On Monday WayFinder corporation released WayFinder Access nearly 
>>> three months after the date initially promised in their February 
>>> product announcement.  The "official" description of WFA is 
>>> available at 
>>> http://www.wayfinder.com/products/wayfinder_access.en.php?link_id=su
>>> b
>>> me
>>> nu_st
>>> atic
>>>
>>> Bare in mind that running Wayfinder requires a subscription to a 
>>> cell phone carriers data plan.  There's no room on most phones to 
>>> store maps, hence the need for access to the net while in use.  I 
>>> confirmed Neil B of Talknav's pricing info and since WFA is 
>>> available through his company for $125 less than the regular price 
>>> until Friday I wanted to share my preliminary observations.
>>>
>>> I can't restrain myself from starting out by commenting on the 
>>> regular price which is $539.00.  I purchased Wayfinder's over the 
>>> counter product called WayFinderNavigator for $99 and for my money 
>>> do not see anything in their access product to account for five and 
>>> a half times the cost.  Did I mention that Wayfinder offers upgrade 
>>> pricing to all its other customers, with the exception of Access?
>>> What a great way to reward their loyal customers who have limped 
>>> along with so many
>> inaccessible features for years.
>>>
>>> Using the main stream product I can search for businesses either 
>>> near by or in distant cities.  I can add them to my favorites and 
>>> compute routes based on current GPS coordinates and receive voice
guidance.
>>> The routing often does not make sense but is over all helpful.
>>>
>>> I won't mention how as of Monday WayFinderAccess's installation 
>>> process was inaccessible, but then again I just did, didn't I?  
>>> Hmmm, suppose I'm expecting a lot for $539 after a three month wait.
>>> Actually to be fair, that was a gratuitous slam on my part;  I am 
>>> given to understand that CodeFactory will release an update to their 
>>> product by the end of the week which renders WayFinder's web pages 
>>> accessible, and Nuance is expected to do likewise for Talks in the 
>>> short term.  Fortunately I had a neighbor near by who was willing to 
>>> disclose which options were highlighted on the phone, but this is 
>>> often
> not the case.
>>>
>>> WFA's look feel and interface is  very similar to Navigator, however 
>>> five text based list views have been added as follows:
>>> Info: contains current position, heading and GPS status.
>>> and the next four are vicinity views presenting a list ordered by 
>>> current proximity which includes:
>>> all: a blend of the following three.
>>> crossing: lists intersections.
>>> favorite: orders distance to items previously added to favorites.
>>> POI: database of known points of interest.  Categories such as "Rent 
>>> a car Facility", " restaurant" "ATM", etc may be configured so as 
>>> not to
>> appear.
>>>
>>> This is absolutely a great feature.  More over I like the fact that 
>>> one can now use other features which were inaccessible in the main 
>>> stream product such as obtaining the phone number for located 
>>> businesses, and perhaps its a bell and whistle thing, but getting 
>>> weather conditions is kind of neat.  I wonder whether the free 
>>> screen reader updates referenced above which are specifically for 
>>> compatibility with WFA will improve accessibility  to features in
> WayFinder Navigator?
>>>
>>> From the info tab I can add my own personal points.  I am unable to 
>>> do that using the main stream product, and of course this capability 
>>> is a valuable addition.
>>>
>>> Granted this is the initial release and many features will be 
>>> tweaked or added.  Not sure since WayFinder chose not to offer 
>>> upgrade pricing initially how much potential improvements will cost 
>>> WFA customers, but IMHO The present form of its implementation 
>>> largely renders these list views to a state where they are of marginal
utility.
>>>
>>> When you go to one of these list views the proximity and distance 
>>> are spoken (usually twice) before you hear the name of the point.  
>>> The double speaking is attributable to the fact that the list 
>>> refreshes every couple seconds there by causing Talks or presumably 
>>> MobileSpeak to reread the line, so I might hear something like the 
>>> following while in
>> the crossing view:
>>> "255 feet, 278 degree Ea ... 235 feet, 264 degree East Franklin 
>>> Street South Boundary and North Boundary".  By the time it has read 
>>> two different heading and distance values I've had to wait several 
>>> seconds before hearing the information I always consider more 
>>> important; after all what's the value of distance and direction when 
>>> you don't yet know what
>> is being referenced?
>>> Perhaps the updated versions of the phone based screen readers will 
>>> abate the double reading in lists that are being updated.  I am 
>>> using a Nokia 6682 which does not have as fast a processor as some 
>>> of the newer phones, and this too could be a factor.  Hopefully most 
>>> won't have this duplication because its very annoying.
>>>
>>> The other negative is that all values are given in degrees relative 
>>> to the compass, rather than one's own direction of travel.  I've 
>>> looked all through settings and believe I have not missed anything.
>>> So I can walk toward an intersection and WFA reports its direction 
>>> in
> degrees.
>>> When I turn around and walk away I receive identical directional 
>>> information, though of course the distance will begin to increase.
>>>
>>> This won't be a problem for those who have an instant protractor in 
>>> their heads, but even then this implementation is kind of dubious 
>>> compared to directional feedback from other accessible GPS solutions.
>>> Lets say I want to ascertain my distance from a POI that's in WFA's 
>>> database.  After hearing the line twice and listening through all 
>>> the degree and distance info I finally hear the name of the place.  
>>> I then have to recall its direction which is some number between 
>>> zero and
> 360.
>>> Lets pull a number out of the air like 227 degrees.  Okay, now I 
>>> must keep that number in my brain and press left arrow four times to 
>>> the info tab.  After saying "loading ..." I can then down arrow 
>>> twice to obtain my heading.  lets pull another number out of our 
>>> hats and say 310 degrees (on some streets this varies up to 90 
>>> degrees and is literally all over the map -- curious how you can 
>>> feel it while driving, but the curves are gradual hence I don't 
>>> notice most of them while walking).  Anyway, did you recall where that
desired POI was?
>>> After all those key presses I kinda forgot myself, but okay, so we 
>>> have
>>> 227 degrees as our target, and a baring of 310, which I believe puts 
>>> it on our left, unless the street curved again.  Am I getting closer 
>>> or further?  Hmm, suppose I'd better press right arrow four times 
>>> and locate that place again and hopefully I remembered its distance 
>>> from before.  To be sure there are constraints involved with phone 
>>> software, but
>> to me this interface/output is not very efficient compared to other 
>> solutions.
>>>
>>> Unless I learn within the next day or two that I missed a few 
>>> things, my intention is to stick with what I have for now.  A free 
>>> Symbian based GPS phone application called loadstone is available 
>>> from http://www.loadstone-gps.com which does an excellent job with 
>>> all the basics.  Loadstone's downside is that the POIS are 
>>> exclusively of the "do it yourself" variety.  You can mark your own 
>>> or download free data from the net (which is very limited).  To fill 
>>> in when I want to locate near by businesses I'll continue using 
>>> WayfinderNavigator.  I would have been more than willing to reward 
>>> WayFinder for developing an accessible version however from what 
>>> I've seen the initial pricing of four times that of their main 
>>> stream product was outrageous enough IMHO, and now its been 
>>> increased to almost 5.5 times that of Navigator?  I
>> don't think so!!
>>>
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff
>>
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