[Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT, but My preliminary impression of WayfinderAccess.

r.jansen r.jansen at wanadoo.nl
Thu Jun 7 09:29:07 BST 2007


Hi Geoff and Arimo,

Sorry for my previous posts. You are correct about the heading info on the
vicinity views. I just wrote the WayFinder Access people about this.

Sorry guys!

By the way, still testing with my three gps receivers.
 
Raymond

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
[mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] Namens Ari Moisio
Verzonden: woensdag 6 juni 2007 13:57
Aan: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT, but My preliminary
impression of WayfinderAccess.

Hi

  Could you check your WF  Access version number. Version 1.0, downloaded
yesterday,  displays absolute directions.

  Make also sure you select a reference point far enoug to test this. If you
walk over your favourite when testing you can get of courrse just any
possible direction.


    And because this is a Loadstone mailing list: i suggested vicinity view
-like interface to Loadstone  some time ago. Now after playing with WFA i
finally noticed how much easier it is to find POIs and favourites when they
are listed by distance.



You can still escape from the Gates of hell: Use Linux!
--
arimo

On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, r.jansen wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
>
> The heading info given on the Info tab is the compass direction your 
> are moving to.
> The heading info given on the vicinity views are related to your own 
> direction.
>
> So if the info tab says that you are moving 270 degrees (West), and 
> lets say that a entry on the vicinity view says: 20 feet, 90 degree, 
> its to your right after 20 feet, and because you are walking West (270 
> degree), the vicinity info is North on the compass (270 + 90). But you 
> don't have to switch between the info tab and the vicinity views 
> because the compass direction of the Info tab is not that important.
>
> But, this is a Loadstone list, so ... There will be a WFA list shortly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Raymond
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] Namens Geoff Waaler
> Verzonden: woensdag 6 juni 2007 11:27
> Aan: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
> Onderwerp: Re: [Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT,but My preliminary 
> impression of WayfinderAccess.
>
> Hello Raymond,
>
> Please bare in mind that I was discussing WFA.  More over it was 
> clarified later in the paragraph you quoted that heading info provided 
> by WFA is *NOT* relative to one's direction of travel.
>
> Best regards.
> Geoff
>
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:17:00 +0200, r.jansen wrote:
>
>> Hi Geoff,
>>
>> You said:
>>
>>> The other negative is that all values are given in degrees relative 
>>> to the
>> compass, rather than one's own direction of travel.
>>
>> I think this is incorrect. If it says 0 or 360 degrees its in front 
>> of you and 180 degrees is behind.
>>
>> I will check this to be cirtain.
>>
>> Regards, Raymond
>>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com
>> [mailto:loadstone-bounces at loadstone-gps.com] Namens Geoff Waaler
>> Verzonden: woensdag 6 juni 2007 10:41
>> Aan: loadstone at loadstone-gps.com
>> Onderwerp: [Loadstone] Perhaps a little OT,but My preliminary 
>> impression of WayfinderAccess.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I posted the following to another list, but decided to cross post it
here.
>>
>> On Monday WayFinder corporation released WayFinder Access nearly 
>> three months after the date initially promised in their February 
>> product announcement.  The "official" description of WFA is available 
>> at 
>> http://www.wayfinder.com/products/wayfinder_access.en.php?link_id=sub
>> me
>> nu_st
>> atic
>>
>> Bare in mind that running Wayfinder requires a subscription to a cell 
>> phone carriers data plan.  There's no room on most phones to store 
>> maps, hence the need for access to the net while in use.  I confirmed 
>> Neil B of Talknav's pricing info and since WFA is available through 
>> his company for $125 less than the regular price until Friday I 
>> wanted to share my preliminary observations.
>>
>> I can't restrain myself from starting out by commenting on the 
>> regular price which is $539.00.  I purchased Wayfinder's over the 
>> counter product called WayFinderNavigator for $99 and for my money do 
>> not see anything in their access product to account for five and a 
>> half times the cost.  Did I mention that Wayfinder offers upgrade 
>> pricing to all its other customers, with the exception of Access?  
>> What a great way to reward their loyal customers who have limped 
>> along with so many
> inaccessible features for years.
>>
>> Using the main stream product I can search for businesses either near 
>> by or in distant cities.  I can add them to my favorites and compute 
>> routes based on current GPS coordinates and receive voice guidance.
>> The routing often does not make sense but is over all helpful.
>>
>> I won't mention how as of Monday WayFinderAccess's installation 
>> process was inaccessible, but then again I just did, didn't I?  Hmmm, 
>> suppose I'm expecting a lot for $539 after a three month wait.  
>> Actually to be fair, that was a gratuitous slam on my part;  I am 
>> given to understand that CodeFactory will release an update to their 
>> product by the end of the week which renders WayFinder's web pages 
>> accessible, and Nuance is expected to do likewise for Talks in the 
>> short term.  Fortunately I had a neighbor near by who was willing to 
>> disclose which options were highlighted on the phone, but this is often
not the case.
>>
>> WFA's look feel and interface is  very similar to Navigator, however 
>> five text based list views have been added as follows:
>> Info: contains current position, heading and GPS status.
>> and the next four are vicinity views presenting a list ordered by 
>> current proximity which includes:
>> all: a blend of the following three.
>> crossing: lists intersections.
>> favorite: orders distance to items previously added to favorites.
>> POI: database of known points of interest.  Categories such as "Rent 
>> a car Facility", " restaurant" "ATM", etc may be configured so as not 
>> to
> appear.
>>
>> This is absolutely a great feature.  More over I like the fact that 
>> one can now use other features which were inaccessible in the main 
>> stream product such as obtaining the phone number for located 
>> businesses, and perhaps its a bell and whistle thing, but getting 
>> weather conditions is kind of neat.  I wonder whether the free screen 
>> reader updates referenced above which are specifically for 
>> compatibility with WFA will improve accessibility  to features in
WayFinder Navigator?
>>
>> From the info tab I can add my own personal points.  I am unable to 
>> do that using the main stream product, and of course this capability 
>> is a valuable addition.
>>
>> Granted this is the initial release and many features will be tweaked 
>> or added.  Not sure since WayFinder chose not to offer upgrade 
>> pricing initially how much potential improvements will cost WFA 
>> customers, but IMHO The present form of its implementation largely 
>> renders these list views to a state where they are of marginal utility.
>>
>> When you go to one of these list views the proximity and distance are 
>> spoken (usually twice) before you hear the name of the point.  The 
>> double speaking is attributable to the fact that the list refreshes 
>> every couple seconds there by causing Talks or presumably MobileSpeak 
>> to reread the line, so I might hear something like the following 
>> while in
> the crossing view:
>> "255 feet, 278 degree Ea ... 235 feet, 264 degree East Franklin 
>> Street South Boundary and North Boundary".  By the time it has read 
>> two different heading and distance values I've had to wait several 
>> seconds before hearing the information I always consider more 
>> important; after all what's the value of distance and direction when 
>> you don't yet know what
> is being referenced?
>> Perhaps the updated versions of the phone based screen readers will 
>> abate the double reading in lists that are being updated.  I am using 
>> a Nokia 6682 which does not have as fast a processor as some of the 
>> newer phones, and this too could be a factor.  Hopefully most won't 
>> have this duplication because its very annoying.
>>
>> The other negative is that all values are given in degrees relative 
>> to the compass, rather than one's own direction of travel.  I've 
>> looked all through settings and believe I have not missed anything.  
>> So I can walk toward an intersection and WFA reports its direction in
degrees.
>> When I turn around and walk away I receive identical directional 
>> information, though of course the distance will begin to increase.
>>
>> This won't be a problem for those who have an instant protractor in 
>> their heads, but even then this implementation is kind of dubious 
>> compared to directional feedback from other accessible GPS solutions.
>> Lets say I want to ascertain my distance from a POI that's in WFA's 
>> database.  After hearing the line twice and listening through all the 
>> degree and distance info I finally hear the name of the place.  I 
>> then have to recall its direction which is some number between zero and
360.
>> Lets pull a number out of the air like 227 degrees.  Okay, now I must 
>> keep that number in my brain and press left arrow four times to the 
>> info tab.  After saying "loading ..." I can then down arrow twice to 
>> obtain my heading.  lets pull another number out of our hats and say 
>> 310 degrees (on some streets this varies up to 90 degrees and is 
>> literally all over the map -- curious how you can feel it while 
>> driving, but the curves are gradual hence I don't notice most of them 
>> while walking).  Anyway, did you recall where that desired POI was?
>> After all those key presses I kinda forgot myself, but okay, so we 
>> have
>> 227 degrees as our target, and a baring of 310, which I believe puts 
>> it on our left, unless the street curved again.  Am I getting closer 
>> or further?  Hmm, suppose I'd better press right arrow four times and 
>> locate that place again and hopefully I remembered its distance from 
>> before.  To be sure there are constraints involved with phone 
>> software, but
> to me this interface/output is not very efficient compared to other 
> solutions.
>>
>> Unless I learn within the next day or two that I missed a few things, 
>> my intention is to stick with what I have for now.  A free Symbian 
>> based GPS phone application called loadstone is available from 
>> http://www.loadstone-gps.com which does an excellent job with all the 
>> basics.  Loadstone's downside is that the POIS are exclusively of the 
>> "do it yourself" variety.  You can mark your own or download free 
>> data from the net (which is very limited).  To fill in when I want to 
>> locate near by businesses I'll continue using WayfinderNavigator.  I 
>> would have been more than willing to reward WayFinder for developing 
>> an accessible version however from what I've seen the initial pricing 
>> of four times that of their main stream product was outrageous enough 
>> IMHO, and now its been increased to almost 5.5 times that of 
>> Navigator?  I
> don't think so!!
>>
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>
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