[Loadstone] West bound inconsistency in exploration mode.

monty at loadstone-gps.com monty at loadstone-gps.com
Mon Feb 12 22:55:50 GMT 2007

Hi Geoff,

Thanks very much for the example containing points that behaved strangely 
while moving between them in Exploration mode.  We too managed to 
duplicate your findings and we are currently looking into the issue. 
We'll let you know more info once we've worked out the problem and 
hopefully come up with a solution.

Best regards,

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Hi Shawn,
> Thanks much for the reply.  My purpose in including the coordinences of the
> points in question was to show that they were not at an angle.  Even if they
> were I do not believe its unreasonable to expect consistency between east
> and west bound traversals.  If I'm experiencing rounding errors because of
> my phone's limited computational skills why do they not occur during East
> bound calculations?  If this is do to the points being at an angle, please
> take a look at the data I provided and let me know how/why the points in
> question are not considered due East/West from one another?
> Thanks again.
> Geoff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shawn Kirkpatrick" <shawn at odyssey.cm.nu>
> To: "General discussion pertaining to the Loadstone GPS program"
> <loadstone at loadstone-gps.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Loadstone] West bound inconsistency in exploration mode.
> This problem is somewhat common. It happens when points are off at an angle
> from each other. The points you're talking about can probably be found if
> you use north west or south west. What loadstone does is calculate the
> distance and angle from one point to another. It breaks the circle up in to
> 8 sections and tries to find a point in the section you want. Sometimes a
> point will be close but just outside the calculated section. The
> calculations should be the same for the opposite direction but doesn't
> always seem to be the case. The only reason I can think of for this is that
> maybe we're getting rounding errors with the floating point number
> calculations. The phone isn't very good at these so that's very possible.
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Geoff Waaler wrote:
>> Hi y'all (and since I live 35 degrees and change North I get to say
>> this!!),
>> I finally put together a test case documenting what I believe to be a bug
>> in
>> loadstone when it calculates the nearest point to the West in exploration
>> mode.  I am running the "all other phone models" 0.66 version of loadstone
>> dated 2/1/07 on a Nokia 6682.  In case it matters my 6682 is locked to
>> Cingular with the latest available firmware (4.65).
>> I obtained pointshare data for a five mile area around latitude 41.9709,
>> longitude -87.7018.  My last_position file points to: 41.99152,-87.655756
>> which in English translates to a hundred yards North of Sheridan Rd. and
>> Thorndale in Chicago, IL.
>> When I begin exploration mode and press the 8 key I am taken to Thorndale
>> and Sheridan as expected.  When I press the four key two blocks are
>> skipped
>> which will be found on the way back east.  Here are the relevant
>> coordinances:
>> Eastern point is Sheridan Rd. and Thorndale = 41.990431, -87.655756
>> First block West is Kenmore and Thorndale = 41.990431,-87.657156
>> Second block West is Winthrop and Thorndale= 41.990431,-87.658556
>> Third block West is Broadway and Thorndale = 41.990231,-87.660656
>> As you can see Thorndale avenue follows a direct latitudinal line for
>> those
>> two blocks where the points are missed during west bound exploration.
>> Thorndale avenue drifts a little South when intersecting with Broadway.
>> Of
>> course we are relying on the accuracy of data pointshare managed to
>> obtain,
>> but for our purposes it serves to illustrate the problem.  I believe that
>> since the six key locates those two points during the virtual East bound
>> trip from Broadway it would be reasonable to expect the West bound trip
>> from
>> Sheridan to land on those points also.
>> Thanks for putting together a great software app!!
>> Geoff
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